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Monday, July 1, 2013

Calories ...

... or joules or ergs or foot·lbs or BTUs or eV or ...

These are all the same thing folks.  They are all units of energy. That we use different terms in different contexts doesn't mean we are talking about different things.  It's like different languages, be it vida or leben or liv or อายุการใช้งาน ... they all mean life.

The bastardizing of basic science in the Paleo and LLVLC realms is both ubiquitous and unrelenting.  This is what prompted me to start this blog.  I could really care less about the diet fads that come along that are obvious quackery, but this community is built on "our science is better" or "we understand the science", so wouldn't it be nice if that science is correct?

It is difficult to convey how the first installment of J. Stanton's latest series reads w/o preserving at least some of his formatting, so I'll delineate excerpts with ~'s.


What Is A “Calorie”, Anyway?
The dietary calorie is defined as “the amount of energy required to increase the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1 degree Kelvin.”
The dietary calorie is actually a “kilocalorie” = 1000 calories, which is why you’ll occasionally see it abbreviated as “kcal”.
It’s an obsolete unit: the “joule” is the modern unit of energy. There are 4.184 joules in a calorie, and 4184 in a dietary calorie (kilocalorie).

Problem: Our Bodies Don’t Use “Calories”
A bomb calorimeter
You may already see the problem here: a “calorie” is a unit of energy transfer. We determine the number of “calories” in a food by, quite literally, burning it and measuring how much heat it generates.

This is a bomb calorimeter.

Note: not equivalent to the human digestive and metabolic system.


bomb calorimeter
(Me)  The concept of the calorie is attributed to Lavoisier in the late 1700's.  His caloric theory of heat as a fluid has long since been disproved, but the calorie unit is used to this day.  It is defined as the energy required to heat 1 gram of water 1 °C.  Atwater did experiments to measure the metabolizable (by humans, in humans) energy from food using calories as the energy unit, and probably for no reason other than being very small, the capital "C" Calorie became the commonly used unit for food calories, where 1 Calorie = 1000 calories or 1 kcal.  

I think the bomb calorimeter here is more instructive to understand how this all works for analyzing food calories.  Let's say we put some sucrose in this contraption.  When you ignite and react it with oxygen, the reaction is called combustion.  This is a chemical reaction -- bonds are broken, releasing energy, and others are formed, re-storing some of said energy in the reaction products.  What doesn't get re-stored, is "released" into the environment (in this case the chamber) as heat.  This heat is transferred to the water, warming it.  The mass of the water, specific heat, etc. are factored into a calculation of this energy released in calories, or Joules, or whatever appropriate units.  This heat is called the "heat of reaction".

However it need not be heat.  Indeed what perhaps is the distinguishing feature of life, is that we have the active coordination of chemical reactions so that the chemical energy released by one reaction that would normally be "lost" to heat, is coupled to another reaction where it drives that energy-requiring process to completion.  The bottom line here is that a calorie is a measure/unit of energy, not "energy transfer".  In the bomb calorimeter, the chemical energy stored in the fuel, that is released in the oxidation reaction (where matter is transformed), increases the thermal energy content of the water, and we can measure this by the change in temperature.  Same calories, conversion in this context of chemical potential energy to thermal energy.


Unfortunately, our bodies are not steam engines! They do not burn the food we eat in a fire and convert the heat into mechanical work.  Thus:

There is no biochemical system in our bodies whose input is a “calorie”.
Every metabolic pathway in our body starts with a specific molecule (or family of molecules), and converts it into another molecule—usually consuming energy in the process, not producing it.
This is why we must eat food in order to stay alive. The chemical reactions that build and repair each one of the trillions of cells in our bodies, from brain to toe, from eye to pancreas, require both energy and raw materials. The chemical reactions that allow our cells to perform their necessary functions, from transporting oxygen to parsing visual input to generating muscular force to manufacturing mucus and bile and stomach acid and insulin and leptin and T3, require both energy and raw materials. And the chemical reactions that allow our cells to communicate, via hormones and neurotransmitters, require both energy and raw materials.


(Me) Say what? Yes, J, you are exactly right. Our bodies are not steam engines. And thank you for making the point that since our bodies do not attempt to convert heat into mechanical work, any steam engine entropy thermodynamics is irrelevant. I have made this point time and again, along with the fact that heat generation (e.g. thermogenesis) does not require the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to explain. Thermal energy is but one term on the "out" side of the 1st Law.  Here's a hint:  ∆G = ∆H - T∆S. 


Your "block text" is wrong, because calories are Joules are eV are energy.
Just about every chemical reaction in our bodies requires input of "calories"
...even those like glycolysis and fatty acid oxidation, that ultimately yield energy, need a little input to get things rolling.


The second and third installments of the series largely have nothing to do with calories and metabolism.  They are more about specific foods, with the noted exceptions that deal with digestibility/absorption issues.  Stanton seems to believe that it is those who acknowledge the role of calories who are trying to complicate things, when it is he, and others like him, that are doing so.   When you focus on where you put the fat or the health impact of a calorie of food, it is to distract.  NOBODY is saying that a diet of all soda is equivalent to a diet of all milk is equivalent to a diet of all butter is equivalent to a diet of all potatoes.  When it comes to the low carb "science" however, calories are calories and there's nothing magical to weight loss on LC when it occurs.

Any Discussion of Calories Must Begin With Atwater

The 9-4-4 calorie factors are attributed to the work of W.O. Atwater in the late 1800's.  They weren't determined as is often misrepresented by Stanton and others, in a bomb calorimeter.  Atwater merely compared the human data to calorimeter data.  Not that a bomb calorimeter is not used today to determine calorie contents of foods, but the "Calories" were determined in human calorimeters.

The figure above is from The Elements of the science of nutrition (Lusk, 1917).  You can read that book online, but it's a bit cumbersome to do so.  I did screenshoot/compile/convert The Atwater-Rosa Respiration Calorimeter chapter to a PDF file.  You can request access here if you like, or read the book in Google.   They measured O2 & CO2 and heat generated by the human consuming the food, and long story short the food "Calorie" is a measure of the metabolizable energy for a human.  The factors are averages and estimates.   If you care to read from Atwater himself, may I suggest:  Food and Health (Atwater, 1889).  

Actually, I think everyone reading this SHOULD go read that Atwater article first before moving on.  What you will realize is that almost 125 years ago, none other than Atwater himself considered all of the various so-called problems with calories!   A few thoughts:
  • As imperfect as Atwater's calories are, it is amazing how well they hold up in metabolic ward studies (the only ones that matter when testing this stuff) for a relatively wide range of macronutrient intakes.
  • Atwater acknowledged the uniqueness of protein as a macro.  But the LC vs. LF issue is not about protein.  
  • It is somewhat unclear to me whether or not the thermogenesis (heat evolved) from metabolizing the macros is already incorporated into Atwater's factors.  
  • Atwater did pay some attention to the bioavailability of the macronutrients in foods.  
  • Atwater's use of calories was in an attempt to equate the energy derived from food to mechanical work done by the human body.
That said, it has been acknowledged many times that Atwater's factors are imperfect.  Here are a few:
The above is far from a complete list.  Indeed since it is still fresh in the minds of many, there have been a surprising amount of studies on the Atwater factor and almonds!  See here, here and here (the latter is cited by Stanton in his third installment, and has some interesting outcomes unrelated to calories that may be worth looking at further at some point.)

Could the calorie counts of foods be more accurate in order to provide better information to those who wish to work with calories?  Perhaps.  I'm not a big fan of that approach as I fear the same shenanigans that are "net carbs" for outfits like Dreamfields and Julian Bakery will be employed by makers of certain foods. For example, if whole almonds contain only 75% "net calories" will the makers of almond flour bars use that in reporting calorie content when surely the ground almonds have more available calories?  There already is a problem with reporting of fiber and the calories we can get from fibers (via bacteria) are variable.  So last time I checked some countries allow zero calories to be assigned to fiber, while others use the 2 cal/g average while others just report fiber as all other carbs at 4 cal/g.   Perhaps "maximum calories" is a better measure?  I don't know.

Still, as reported, calorie counts with the Atwater factors provide each of us with a means of quantifying our intake -- these factors of bioavailability are being used as a smoke screen to sell you stuff based on the utterly irresponsible notion that calories don't count.  That is just not true.  They do, and if you are one of those people who is able to maintain a normal weight without needing to give an iota's conscious effort to intake, great for you, consider yourself lucky but otherwise please stop trying to convince people there's some magical diet out there that will do the same for everyone.  It doesn't exist.   I'll save further thoughts in this vein for a followup post.  

For now I want to discuss the "calorie" in your body.  Yes, we use a small fraction of our dietary intake for repair and maintenance and sometimes lean mass growth, but the vast majority is used to generate the energy required to fuel all of these processes.  As such, various carbohydrates, fatty acids and amino acids can feed into sequences of chemical reactions whereby they are broken down to CO2 and H2O and other small molecular fragments that are excreted generally in the urine.  Perhaps one day I'll tackle the protein metabolism in greater depth, but let's cut to the chase -- the argument is over oxidizing fats vs. carbohydrates for energy and some magical role of insulin in causing fat to accumulate.  

Our bodies are, in the end, biochemical machines requiring energy released from one reaction to provide the energy required to allow another to progress.  The currency for all of this is largely adenosine triphosphate, ATP.  Both fats and carbohydrates are broken down to create acetyl-CoA.   These processes differ, and again I'll leave that for another day, but one point I've made repeatedly is important here:  

Once you've got acetyl-CoA that enters the Krebs Cycle (aka TCA) all biochemical reactions and processes are the same. A molecule of acetyl-CoA generates 12 ATP via Krebs&ETC.
The mitochondria ultimately generate ATP and they are like the power company that delivers electricity to you.  You need a certain amount of electricity to power your lights and appliances, your body needs ATP to power all of the processes in your body.  And here's where Atwater obviously got something right.  Whether you call it calories or ATP-units, the amount of chemical energy contained in your average fat (9 cal/g) to carb (4 cal/g) is a 2.25:1 ratio.  How about for palmitic acid (common SFA) vs. glucose?  The ATP ratio comes out to 2.24:1    (Glucose: [38 ATP/mol] / [180 g/mol] = 0.211 ATP/g , Palmitate-TAG: [407 ATP/mol] / [860 g/mol] = 0.473 ATP/g , So gram per gram, the fat:carb ATP ratio = 0.473 / 0.211 = 2.24).   

The thing about oxidation reactions in our bodies, unlike the combustion of a hydrocarbon fuel with oxygen in an engine or open air, is that the reactions necessarily go to completion (or we have problems and large byproducts accumulate -- e.g. you "own" that mass!).  This is for a few very simple reasons:
  • Enzymes catalyze reactions by a variety of means, not the least of which is by attracting and attaching to molecules to bring them into proximity to one another to facilitate the reaction.  This would be roughly like a group of singles being paired off by a match maker (based on similar traits, etc.) vs. blindfolding those people in a room and relying on them to pair off with their best matches by serially bumping into one another.
  • Biological membranes prevent the flow of molecules of a certain size and structure across them.  Your body is like the Hotel California for the large molecules you ingest, only they can leave in pieces ;-) ... Imagine a combustion engine that can only let out CO2, H2O and perhaps a few very small number of small fragment products.
  • Biological reactions tend to be pathways with a commitment step -- once the raw material is "sucked in" it is passed down the line and processed like there's no going back on a waterslide.
In your basic combustion engine, uncombusted fuel and combustion products other than CO2 and H2O are formed and make their way out the tailpipe.  This doesn't happen in humans, healthy ones at least, to any large degree.  If our biochemical fuel is not "burned" completely, the byproducts build up and cause problems (sorry Sam and Jonathan, but that sink clog isn't from sugar ...), but unlike combustion engines, fuel that is not burned at all is returned to the gas tank (e.g. fat stores)!

Therefore folks like Taubes and Stanton and countless others can talk about horizontal growth disorders and how meaningless calories are, etc.  They are all just blowing steam and clouding up your windows and glasses so you can't see the quite simple truth.  Insulin cannot get you more than 4 calories of energy out of a gram of carbohydrate.  All insulin does is manage the metabolic traffic so that the least efficiently stored energy sources are used first.    Insulin doesn't accumulate fat in your fat cells unless you are consuming more calories than you are expending -- averaged out over time.  

Hormones can't force storage in the face of sustained deficits, and they cannot "blow off" sustained excesses.  They can't create more or fewer ATP from a given fatty acid or hexose (6 carbon sugar such as glucose or fructose).  Those calories are calories are calories to a baby or Grandpa, to a diabetic or Michael Phelps, to a celiac or an alcoholic.

I will address metabolic adaptation in depth another time.  For now we're talking calories from food and this is what us "Calorie Wizards" are saying.  Truth and fact.  You have to be in energy surplus to gain weight and deficit to lose weight.  There are some dietary factors that dictate how much of that weight is fat vs. lean, but this appears to be largely dependent on protein and activity.  And it's a lie that carbohydrates  + high insulin favors energy storage as fat while fat + low insulin favors energy usage.  In the end, our carbohydrate stores are so small as to be negligible in determining long term energy balance.  We get fatter if we eat more calories because fatty acids have high energy density, and we store them in fat cells because that's what they are designed for.  When you are in caloric surplus to the tune of 3500 calories, roughly one pound of lipid is deposited, hopefully in your fat cells.  How this exactly equates to a pound of adipose tissue or other tissue it might be deposited in and/or associated water weight is where the fuzziness comes in, but this doesn't change the nature of calories and energy.  There's no magic.  

We all metabolize carbs and fats in exactly the same way...

... through the same metabolic pathways.  Metabolic ward studies have demonstrated time and again that manipulating the macronutrient composition ( with little variation in protein) of the diet does little to change the overall energy balance.  If you switch from a highly processed diet to a mostly whole foods diet, you'll probably lose weight.  Because a calorie is still a calorie, and your body likely absorbs a bit fewer when tasked with extracting them from complex biological matrices.   


ProudDaddy said...

Why can't everyone simply agree that a calorie is not EXACTLY a calorie (when consumed) and go on to more important considerations?! Like? How about why the body's basic homeostasis mechanism is failing so many of us? How about why the formerly obese have lower REEs? How about hunger?

John Smith said...

But if you are a fat burning beast isn't it possible that the carbohydrate calories, when faced with your sheer beastliness, will turn tail and escape through the pores of your skin, resulting in the ability to consume more calories while still burning fat like a freaking furnace and leaning out until you are so ripped and shredded that small children run from you in fear?

Sanjeev Sharma said...

A delusion is not a delusion until the really deluded shove their noses so far up their ass*s it looks painful & show me why I love not being delusional.

Chris Ford said...

Definitely. I think some of his ideas got picked apart by Guyenet (lecture or blog I don't recall) and he's gone down the defensive route.

markgillespie said...

Excellent post. Have you read the recent book by Marion Nestle called 'Why Calories Count'? Not suggesting it contains anything you don't already know, but it gives a nice, concise history of the calorie.

kfg said...

A calorie is not a calorie until it actually becomes a calorie, at which point it is a calorie; and by definition all calories are the same. If it is not the same, it is not a calorie, because it does not meet the definition.

Why can't everyone simply agree that we do not consume calories? We radiate them.

luke giffen said...

I second the recommendation for Marion Nestle's book. It's excellent, and goes into the history of Atwater and calories in general in greater detail.

Sanjeev Sharma said...

> it has been acknowledged many times that Atwater's factors are imperfect.

apropos: I heard an atheist podcast some time ago - the atheist said

"OK, suppose I agree darwinism is incorrect.

Now, prove that your god exists"

The theist went DIRECTLY back to attacking[0] a seemingly endless line of straw men

[0] while claiming to attack natural selection

carbsane said...

Did you read the article? Calories are nothing but a unit of energy. They are NOT only a measure of thermal energy.

carbsane said...

Thanks! No, I haven't read that book, but I have heard good things about it.

carbsane said...

I understand the frustration, but as long as people are out there trying to claim calories are meaningless, the record needs to be set straight.

Sanjeev Sharma said...

> carbohydrate calories, when faced with your sheer beastliness, will turn tail

> small children run from you in fear

So you claim small children are carbohydrate calories?

Sanjeev Sharma said...

because the hand

"one calorie is not the same as another"

comes in the gloves :

"eliminating nnn is a MAGICAL solution"
"hormone yyy caused by some calories (and not others) miraculously puts fffAAAAAAAAAT on you"

carbsane said...

Yes, they are higher in protein which is converted to sugar by G.L.UuuuuuU.Co.NeeeeeeeOooooh.G.E.N.E.S.I.S.

kfg said...


What is energy?

carbsane said...

kfg said...

Yer funny!

Try this one:

I find it a bit more comprehensive (I have read more than your article) than the link you provide. It is a book I'm afraid, so it might have trouble holding your attention. Of course there is also the issue that chemists don't really "get" physics . . . and biologists don't really "get" chemistry.

Or at least that's how the joke goes. The equation, I am afraid, is not commutative.

It doesn't go on to say what people who don't get biology, what with all of it's complicated and messy processes to keep track of, downgrade to. Perhaps we would know if we could find an object lesson, someone who has taken up biology, switched to chemistry, run back to biology and then had to ditch biology.

Armistead Legge said...

Excellent post Evelyn. Another thing people get their pants tied in a knot about is how the Atwater General Factors (AGF's) are mere estimations. Sure, but the USDA nutrient DataBase actually uses the Atwater Specific Factors, which give a far more accurate estimation of the calorie content of individual foods. Although, the AGF's of 4-4-9 are still fine for determining the macros of a mixed diet.

carbsane said...

This whole argument on the inaccuracy of calorie counts is, IMO, just a distraction. I have never said that anyone has to count calories or it is the only way or it is possible to exactly balance CI with CO. But if a person is carrying around excess fat, this is excess energy that has been stored over time. There are two ways to deal with this, eat less or move more, or both. There is NO metabolic advantage and insulin has no magical properties that change metabolic rate significantly, with the caveat that at the extremes of extremes you may get a slight "advantage" over moderate diets. In terms of VLC diets, however, that advantage will likely turn to a deficit in the long term.

So other than that, what's a person to do? Calorie counts on foods can provide pretty good guidelines ... indeed as I've stated many times now, they hold up very well in metabolic ward studies and even in more free living conditions. The real take home from the fairly recent Ebbeling study was that when they cut calories to 1500/1800 F/M the subjects all lost considerable weight. They then used a formula to estimate weight stable intakes and it took a few more tweaks for some than others, but once they figured it out, they maintained weight for 4 weeks at a clip for 3 different diets including a very high protein LC leg.

If you don't digest almonds well, then if it helps you, chow down on almonds I suppose. But if you personally digest about 50% then one time it may be 60, another 40, etc. and it balances out over time. Then you can cut your almond intake in half and lose weight. Why people insist this is so mind bogglingly complicated that the whole notion of calories should be obliterated is beyond me!

Radhakrishna Warrier said...

The bastardizing of basic science in the Paleo and LLVLC realms is both ubiquitous and unrelenting.

This is exactly the impression I get when I read the stuff that the Paleo / Low Carb aficionados write on the internet. The internet stuff also leaves me with an impression that people of a certain bent of mind gravitate more easily towards Paleo / Low Carb - this impression was reinforced by a couple of flesh-and-blood (i.e., not internet) experiences as well. Here is one of them.

Most of my friends here know me as a traditional consumer of coconut and coconut oil. But when a friend asked me where I buy my coconut oil from and what brand it is, I immediately smelt a strong whiff of Paleo / Low carb. That was because:

1. My friend has tried several times, subtly perhaps in his point of view but not so subtly in mine, to convert me to his religion. Besides presenting me with the book of his religion, he has also repeatedly said that his savior died for my (future) sins a couple of thousand years ago. :)

2. Evolution, according to him, is bunkum. The ancestors of all the present flora and fauna came a few thousand years ago out of a wooden contraption made to protect them from a global flood. All the races of men descended from the two sons of an ancient gentleman, one from his legal wife and the other from another woman.

3. In my friend's eyes, people of European origin are the highest grade of humanity. All the other races occupy various lower grades.:)

4. Linguistics is bogus in my friend's view -- all languages really originated from a tower built a few thousand years ago.

5. There is no global warming according to my friend -- this is just a myth created by the 'socialists' who are really anti-socials.

What I smelt turned out to be true. My friend and his wife were going low carb and that was why he sought my advice on coconut oil. :) But the woe (way of life) apparently did not last long. The other Friday when us friends went out for lunch, my friend did not at all seem to be low carbing :)


carbsane said...

Nice to see you Rad! There's just enough science there for people to feel smart because they know something the mainstream does not seem to grasp. I think that's really it more than anything.

BTW, what brand of CO do you use? ;-)

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