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Monday, June 27, 2011

Irresponsible Advice from Dr. Eades ... Again!


In a blog post entitled Tips & tricks for starting (or restarting) low-carb Pt II, Eades discusses cramps and hydration.  

Now, he does give the good advice about bone broth or bullion, but all of that is obscured to this reader by the frequent mentions of alcohol - complete with the picture atop the article and its caption.

A glass of Tinto de Verano pictured at left. A great way to hydrate. (See note bottom of post.)


OK ...  So my takeaway message from his post was that sodium, potassium and magnesium can help with cramps, some claim calcium helps, others quinine.  Ultimately, however he believes it's dehydration that causes the cramps.  Drink your water.   Apparently he feels that a good way to get your water is to dilute it half and half with fruity wine!
Here in Spain I have discovered a wonderful way to drink wine and stay hydrated. They have a drink called Tinto de Verano (see photo at top), which is half fruity Spanish wine and half sparkling water poured over ice with a slice of orange and slice of lemon thrown in. It’s kind of sangria lite. Each time you drink a glass of it, you get half wine and half water, so you rehydrate the water lost from the little alcohol in the half glass of wine. It’s tremendously refreshing, and I’ve drunk my weight of it since arriving.

Last time I had sangria, it was pretty "fruity" and sweet.  I'm thinking that telling low carbers that this is a good way to keep hydrated is beyond irresponsible!  Especially in a post also focusing on getting into ketosis nirvana as quickly as possible.

It seems to me that perhaps Eades wrote this while drinking some Tinto and perhaps wasn't thinking quite so clearly at the time.   But c'mon.  I'd dare say that artificially sweetened Gatorade might well be a better way for low carbers to get their hydration on, dontcha think?  

It almost sounds like the arguments over chocolate milk and kids.  The reasoning goes that if we don't offer them chocolate milk, kids won't drink milk.  So now dehydrated adults won't drink their sparkly water in sufficient quantities unless mixed with wine?  

Hic ...

All of this has me thinking on this whole cramping issue some more in the context of the healthfulness of long term low carbing.  I'll do a separate post on that soon.


22 comments:

Layla said...

Dammit, now I want a glass of wine!

Yeah, that's pretty retarded advice, if you ask me. I really don't know how any low carber could suggest this drink as a good way to stay hydrated.
A glass of wine here and there is OK of course and healthy, but drinking gallons of water with sweet wine, day in and day out....
"I’ve drunk my weight of it since arriving." Pretty soon he will have to double his intake then....

Muata said...

I've been to Madrid and am very familiar with this drink, which most Spainards drink with their first actual meal of the day. What Eades forgkt to mention was the huge round or circular loaf of bread that they usually serve with the "tinto", especially at restaurants.

Charlie said...

Tinto de verno is mostly water. Traditional way to extend a bottle of wine -- cut it with water and a little bit of lemonade. Far, far different that sangria that is served here.

Good for you? who knows. Refreshing -- yes!

Diana said...

CS,,

It strikes me that the phrase "irresponsible advice" and "Dr. Eades" are completely interchangeable.

You might as well call him "Dr. Irresponsible Advice."

Fun history fact:

"Wine almost always was mixed with water for drinking; undiluted wine (merum) was considered the habit of provincials and barbarians. The Romans usually mixed one part wine to two parts water (sometimes hot or even salted with sea water to cut some of the sweetness). The Greeks tended to dilute their wine with three or four parts water, which they always mixed by adding the wine. The intention of the symposium was to enjoy the aesthetic pleasure of the wine, to be intoxicated just enough to have the mind released from inhibition and conversation stimulated. At its Roman counterpart, the convivium, there was a tendency to get drunk more blatantly."

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/wine/wine.html

j said...

Carbsane:

the drink described is not Sangria, its exactly as described, and might typically contain less than half a glass of a light red wine (10-12%)

the fruit, water and ice alone likely make up more than half of the fluids and there are minimal carbs in what little wine (and orange slice) is there.

id say this is less problematic than an artificially sweetened gatorade on a hot spanish afternoon non?

CarbSane said...

To all commenters re: sangria - that was Eades' description, not mine.

Whether red wine, etc or not, diluted wine would have the alcohol content of ... beer! So I guess we should all hydrate with our beer??

Welcome j! Why not just drink some water??

CarbSane said...

Oops, I think this is your first comment here Charlie, so welcome as well! The drink pictured there, however, doesn't look like "mostly water" to me!

Melchior Meijer said...

That cramping history sounds pretty scary, certainly not normal. Extremely strange that drinking a lot of fluid helps. It suggests that the concentration of an unknown electrolyte is too high as long as he has a normal fluid intake. The dehydration thing seems unlikely. If you have to drink copious amounts of water to stay ‘hydrated’, you’ve got a problem. Like diabetes insipidus. And you would be extremely thirsty. A healthy human being can get by with rather modest amounts of water, provided she is not performing heavy physcial labour in a hot environment. And even then, preventing hyponatremia is usually much more important than drinking enough.

Maybe this individual suffers some mysterious low carb induced electrolyte imbalance. I’ve heard people describing this before. I assume it’s not a good idof no use to go there and suggest a daily fix of dried figs ;-).

Mirtika said...

Perhaps the confession that he's drunk his weight in it might explain the dumbass advice. He's buzzed out of his senses.

Diana said...

"A healthy human being can get by with rather modest amounts of water...."

Yes. I took a 5-day hike in the southern mountains of the Sinai desert in 1998. The Bedouin hardly ever drink water. That's for us crazy Westerners. They drink two or three sweetened cups of hot tea a day, including in the blazing heat. (They don't normally go out in the blazing heat; they stay under shade or inside as much as possible. But they are capable of working hard out in the sun when they must.)

CS: I wonder if you can do a post on just how much water we humans really do need. I do not buy the 8 glasses a day mantra.

SamAbroad said...

Ehh, I don't think Dr. Eades is recommending you get your liquid needs from this drink!

It's more that if you are going to drink, dilute it with water. Sounds sensible to me.

Seriously, the words 'scraping the barrel' come to mind.

Princess Dieter said...

I went most of my life drinking at most a cup or two of water a day. I started drinking oodles of fluids (I aim for 14+ cups a day) because I'm a binge-eater and it's the most effective way I found to cut my appetite. When I'm super-hydrated, I don't get mixed thirst/hunger signals. When I drink 2-4 cups of fluids prior to meals, I get the "I'm full" signals much faster. For me, it's like an alternate "lap band". A "water" band. :D

But I was never dehydrated on a cup or two a day...but I also always ate a lot of fruit. And fruit is mighty watery (as are soups and veggies).

mhb said...

You've taken the whole alcohol thing out of context of his very long discussion of hydration and have overlooked the advice he gave to avoid or limit alcohol. But it's a fact that many people drink alcohol, even while doing LC. The message he is trying to convey is if you're going to drink alcohol, drink a lot of water with it, hence his comments about Tinto de Verano.

Sue said...

CS, you're over-reacting with this post I feel.

Sue said...

Plus the comment about the beverage was made right at the end of the post and wasn't a main part of the article. He was just letting readers know where he was ATM. He happened to be drinking a pretty good alcoholic beverage compared to what he could be drinking. CS, get back to some of your good posts not this nit-picking.

Sue said...

This I look forward to:
"All of this has me thinking on this whole cramping issue some more in the context of the healthfulness of long term low carbing. I'll do a separate post on that soon."

Tonus said...

Somehow I doubt that these posts preempt the "good" posts.

CarbSane said...

Thanks Tonus :-) I get a kick out of the critiquing of my posts. I don't see taking Eades out of context at all, the drink pic and caption is at the beginning of an articles ostensibly to be tricks to get into ketosis more rapidly and make it through that "induction flu". All the talk of alcohol, and his admission to imbibing rather heavily is misplaced. The photo caption is what it is - "a great way to hydrate". The Eades are no foes of artificial sweeteners -- while detoxing our livers on their 6WC avoiding alcohol and caffeine, we were allowed to bath it in AS's to sweeten our shakes! Surely any alcohol consumption would be counter productive to getting into ketosis.

CarbSane said...

LOL Mirtika! Welcome! And welcome as well to Sam. Sorry to scrape the bottom of the barrel ... better than draining a cask?

CarbSane said...

@Melchior: I plan to address those in another post, it's certainly not normal IMO. I've never had cramps like that in my life until low carb. It's always been when I was amidst a string of VVLC days. It's odd as well, I switched my kitty to wet food with as little cereal as possible in it as possible and he rarely drinks water at all anymore. One would think that eating a lot of meat - even fatty meat - and veggies one would not need much hydration. Kinda wondering the need for all the espresso too.

Melchior Meijer said...

Look forward to your post on this subject, CarbSane. A quick search reveales that severe insulin resistance often produces cramping. It’s a common complaint in women with PCOS. Doctor Eades proposes that VLC improves insulin sensitivity, which seems tot be true only to a certain extend. We have discussed it many times here, severe carb restriction induces physiological insulin resistance. I imagine some kind of tipping point. At a certain level of carb restriction, insulin signalling might become so low that the hormone can no longer properly do it’s myriad of things. Like helping electrolytes into cells. I guess it’s just that. Lack of insulin signalling. Let’s feed Google “IDDM” and “cramping”. Aha. No insulin (and thus zero signalling) = severe cramping. If I were Dr E. I would include a few tatties in my meals. Might do the trick.

scall0way said...

Hmm, I never had severe cramping like that in my life, either on or off low carb. I actually love plain water. Except for my morning cup of coffee, and a very occasional cup of tea, water is basically all I drink. But I never *force* myself to drink it. Some days I'll have 6-8 glasses of water. Some days I might have no more than 1-2. If I feel like drink I do, and if I don't I don't. Never any cramping. I also wonder if Dr. Eades has something else going on.

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