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Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Just for the fun of it ...

From the comments on PaleoOD, something Kurt Harris said prompted this t-shirt slogan idea by bentleyj74:

"I'm wrong with all the right people"

Which got me thinking ... would you rather be:
  • Wrong with all the right people ... or
  • Right with all the wrong people??
Of course, I'm always right so ...

Just kidding ... If this generates some discussion I'll chime in on the comments with my own thoughts.

13 comments:

Kurt G. Harris MD said...

The point of my comment was that I am not embarrassed by the company I had when I gave credence to the CIH. I never believed any nonsense about metabolic advantage or that you could not get fat eating fat regardless of calories, but I did once think carbs - insulin - fat gain was a plausible theory.

Many people I respect, including Stephan, once thought carbohydrates per se might be unhealthy.

Sadly, some of the people I respect otherwise still think that.

Bentley's joke is funny, but has an altogether different meaning....

I certainly did not mean I preferred to be wrong than to hang with the "wrong" people.

Everyone likes to think they are a maverick.

The question is, relative to what?

You can wear the dissident badge relative to the "Stupid diet researchers"

Or you can wear the badge of dissident relative to the false consciousness of the "debunkers of the stupid diet researchers" once you realize that the narrative that the Germans between the wars knew more than we do now is a crock of shit.

It would make a decent t-shirt though : )

Sanjeev said...

Or fall for (to a medical outsider a normal-sounding) extreme cherry picker like Sandy Szchwarc and her "obesity paradox" idea.

It happens. My skeptical muscles got a good workout and my ego a good working over.

I prefer to think of myself as what the judge called Ken Kesey

click "tarnished Galahad"


copy & paste for the paranoid to be sure it's safe

https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22tarnished+Galahad%22+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Princess Dieter said...

I think wisdom comes in when one is wrong with the right people--becuase the RIGHT people will be able to guide you to being ...right. The wrong people never will do that.

It's like those who went to the desert to find the guru/abba/monk/saint...and they brought all their wrong-headedness to the RIGHT people to learn wisdom. :) Better to be wrong before the wise one who will help me see the light, then just be right with the wrong ones. Judas must have figured that one out...hence the big old suicide jump. ; )

Later....

bentleyj74 said...

"Everyone likes to think they are a maverick.

The question is, relative to what?"

Exactly ...and it's fair to say that in hindsight I for sure have mistaken "maverick" for "successfully propagandised" and I'll bet I'm not all by myself in the naughty chair.

bentleyj74 said...

I'd rather be wrong with the right people because...

1 They will shake it off sooner rather than later

and

2 It will be a fun ride regardless

Kurt G. Harris MD said...

Well, maybe you are on to something there.

Maybe its like getting lost in the forest with an expert woodsman vs following the clueless along a path that only leads to trouble.

The ultimate odds of ending up in the right place are what count.

The tools in your kitbag....

Diana said...

I don't agree with either premise.

You state your truth and take the consequences. What other people think is irrelevant.

Eventually the truly smart people will come around.

"One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up." Arthur Koestler.

Example: the Israeli chemist who recently won the Nobel prize. He proposed something so apparently outlandish that his recent team expelled him. But eventually other chemists came to see he was right.

Evie - there ain't no Nobel prizes for science blogging, but in my book, you deserve one!!

bentleyj74 said...

Lol, Diana you win the maverick card today.

As an extrovert who is assuredly not within shouting distance of being a nobel prize winning Israeli chemist or even one of the truly smart people I do think that other peoples opinions are relevant. Perhaps not crucial, but relevant. I find the rub and conflict very useful hopefully without turning me into a useful idiot.

Diana said...

@bentley, :) I was hoping someone would pick up on that (the maverick thing).

"crucial, but relevant."

Yes, there is a rub. Human beings are social animals and we can't help but be members of someone's team. The chemist (Schectman, I looked it up), had to learn his chemistry from someone else. The physicist Richard Feynman, a genius, complicated his own cancer treatments terribly because he was a radical skeptic who thought he knew more than his doctors about cancer (he didn't).

Science, or any critical thinking for that matter, is a matter of revising prior assumptions. There are some teams that know more about stuff than others. But....the truly good ones always know when it's time to break ranks.

bentleyj74 said...

Well said :) I agree.

I hear Steve Jobs did the same thing re cancer treatment. My grandfather was invloved in physics professionally but thought he could treat his own type 2 diabetes with snickers bars [he was wrong and probably shaved years off his life].

Diana said...

I heard about Jobs too. He spent the 1st 9 months of his illness when he should have been aggressively treated, eating vegan/macrobiotic food. He may have killed himself that way. He should have listened to the conventional experts. Sometimes they are right.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Some great responses! Proctoring an exam right now (evil grin) ... I'll add some thoughts while cooking for Christmas Eve.

@Kurt: I took your original comment exactly like you clarified it here!

Eric said...

There are tshirts out there already...

"I'D AGREE WITH YOU BUT THEN WE WOULD BOTH BE WRONG"

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