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Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Jimmy Moore, PSS

In recent comments here, someone hit the nail on the head about Jimmy Moore.  He's become a professional sympathy seeker, PSS.  This is evident in his latest whine blog post:  Aren’t You Going To Respond To The Negative Attacks Against You?

Jimmy posts some screenshots of comments made about him and says this:
I guess these people have an expectation that if they write a comment like this on my blog, Facebook wall or Twitter page, at a YouTube video, on my forum or elsewhere online that I have a duty to publish it. I do not. I tend to agree with the famous blogger Tim Ferriss from “The Four-Hour Workweek” blog and his doctrine of it being okay to disagree with the ideas I share on my blog. But once you cross the line into personal attacks against me or others, there is no expectation that your comment will ever see the light of day. DELETE! I’m more than happy to entertain lively debate and discussion of the topics I blog about (that’s what a blog is for, right?). But if you decide to write some of the kind of stuff I shared above, it’s a guaranteed way your comments will never be approved.
This is laughable as the first comment of mine I recall him censoring was calling him out for saying something like he'll listen to what I have to say when I come out and stop using my idiotic moniker (this was back when I was still anonymous).  Jimmy gives the impression that his critics, and he's said that this blog is dedicated to exposing his fraud,  are trying to post obnoxious comments and that's what he censors.  I've never tried to post an obnoxious comment on any of Jimmy's blog and I have screenshots somewhere of the few comments that have been censored.  But this man is dishonest about comments on his blog because several have mentioned having their comments censored, and those weren't derogatory.  Jimmy has for about a year now been moderating comments that simply point out the problem he is having is related to how MUCH he eats.  Period.  And I think this is truly precious coming from a man who published Jeff Volek's attack on Paul Jaminet calling him a nut job, routinely pokes fun of overweight people who are not LLVLC, and calls scientists and such idiots on a regular basis.  
I have no problem blocking these kind of unproductive, demeaning comments from ever seeing the light of day. If you can’t be positive or at the very least show common decency in a public forum, then you don’t deserve to be heard. It’s pretty easy to disagree without being disagreeable and at the same time be encouraging even in the midst of criticism. Some people have yet to master this fine art of comment decorum.
Yes, Jimmy, we're well aware that if someone doesn't contribute to the community in a way you deem fit you have no use for them.   But please, sir, it's bad enough you play your Christian card to avoid criticism, please don't lecture folks on the fine art of comment decorum when you let stand a whole bunch of vitriol against me on your blog.  You only care that it's not you or one of your friends that's being criticized.  But eh, that's not what prompted this post.  Before the above quotes he posted a series of screenshots -- unattributed -- of supposed comments purported to have been made on HIS blog/Twitter/forum/etc.  Well, that's a LIE.  One of them, the longest one, was a comment made on this blog by Kurt Harris.


That post was Response to Moore/Kosloff Podcast II: Commentary .  How funny that Adam Kosloff drops by in the comments to commiserate with poor Jimmy after misrepresenting our email exchange in his podcast.  I'm still waiting for any sort of followup from Adam as promised here on March 25.    But back to the point at hand.  First of all, I don't see anything about Kurt's comment that doesn't meet with the "fine art of comment decorum" here or elsewhere.  Secondly, how dare Jimmy use that comment, from this blog, to imply that it is an example of nastiness on one of his venues.  He goes on:
These sample comments I shared above are only a few of the ones I’ve received just over the past week.
No Jimmy you're lying to your readers.  You did not receive that comment, I did.  And you did not receive it just over the past week, I received it over a month ago.   So you wouldn't have had the option to delete it.  But thank you for sharing it with your audience, perhaps it will wake up a few of your followers to what you're all about.  I realize desperate times call for desperate measures, but there's a saying about holes and shovels that you might want to give serious consideration to.  Criticism of a 300 lb man singing the glories of his diet is in no way out of bounds.  Why not just use current pictures on your sites Jimmy?  Why does Twitter still say just "Lost 180 pounds on Atkins, eat low-carb paleo, working through metabolic derangement, educating through my Livin' La Vida Low-Carb blog/podcasts" sporting a caricature avatar that bears little resemblance to you?  And criticism of Amy Dungan is justified on the same count because she has weighed more for most of the past decade than she did prior to going low carb.  That is a fact and the criticism is more than fair.  For the record, I believe Jimmy did not attribute the comments to those who wrote them to deliberately imply that they came from folks like me.  Sleazy cheezy.

I've been meaning to mention this for a while now (and perhaps I have, I've typed it out before just not sure it was published in the final version of a blog post) because this is not the first time Jimmy has complained about all of this supposed animosity and nastiness in his venues.  He is a hypocrit on that note and nothing demonstrates that better than how he runs his own forum.  Forget that he let stand posts accusing me of being an addict (for consuming fructose in any way, shape or form) or calling me a lunatic when I suggested NEFA stimulate insulin release.  No, I'm talking about his use of Razwell to take a poke at Anthony Colpo.  When we're talking decorum I cannot think of a more vile troll that I've ever encountered than Razwell who authored quite a number of vulgar misogynist posts about yours truly before his blog was removed for violating just about every Blogger rule.  I'm not new to being on the receiving end of Razwell who abused the PM function at the LLVLC forum back in 2009 to send vulgar misogynistic messages to me.  In addition to rants on the public board against Colpo and others that were let stand, Jimmy rightly banned him (but did not remove all content) for this behavior.  Since there are actually very few folks banned on the forum (I can only think of one before Razzy got the boot, ZC'er Charles Washington) Jimmy should have some recollection of the circumstances of the banning.  He certainly is aware of who Razwell is and his disgusting rants.  So anyway, after exploiting his embryo adoption saga (I can't think of any other word for it) to whatever end motivated putting the last episode up to Christine letting out a wail when informed she'd lost the baby(ies) on YouTube, Jimmy publicly took a much needed break from blogging/etc. to grieve the loss.  He broke his silence twice (perhaps more, I didn't do Twitter at all at the time).   Once understandably to post links to podcasts with AHS11 speakers, but the second time just blew my mind.  

"Jane Santos" writes:
Hi, Jimmy. Smile It's Razwell. Something happened to my account since my last visit.

I just want to tell you that I have your back on this. As you can see . The dimwitted Anthony Colpo is hurling the insults on his site. Anthony Colpo is a fraud and a shady, shady guy. He is grossly misinformed about obesity. Obesity is almost as heritable as height, surpassing all other conditions but height alone . And possibly equalling it. The greatest quality peer reviewed science from Dr. Jeffery Friedman and Dr. Stunkard demonstrate this .

Anthony Colpo has proven he thinks lowly of obese people and does not treat them with the same respect ANYONE deserves. See Urgelt's of YouTube obesity video. ....
There's more to the rant, but you note Razzie identified himself.  But he calls AC "dimwitted" -- is that the "fine art" of decorum Jimmy's hailing?   Even had he not been banned before, that post should have been removed.  But if one is serious about why they banned someone, he should have removed it and banned the new identity.  But no ... instead Jimmy comes out of his grieving period respite to post on his forum (something he didn't used to do much for a very long time other than announcements for podcasts and blogposts) and replies:
Colpo became irrelevant a long time ago.
Jimmy Moore, clean up your own act before trying to psychoanalyze your critics.   It's sickening.  Someone going by Hold the Hoax on Jimmy's forum posted this in response to his blog:

In all honesty it's hard to feel very sorry for you, Jimmy. First of all, you don't distinguish between the two (as I see it) distinct types of criticism of you: (1) the mean, nasty, ad hominem attacks, which I think we can ALL agree have no place in civil discourse, and (2) the thoughtful, considered opinions of those who - rightly or wrongly - feel you attempted to co-opt a movement (paleo) near and dear to their hearts (I mean, seriously, Jimmy…paleo? Do you even believe in evolution?). If I had to guess, I'd say that's where some of the visceral dislike comes from: the recognition of some fairly blatant hypocrisy. And, to those who've read you for some time, this is nothing especially new - from the KimKins fiasco (where you stubbornly dug in before issuing a mea culpa) to the altering of reader comments to your present blacklisting of polite, respectful contrarian voices from your blog. I find it frankly incomprehensible that you refuse to draw distinctions between legitimate and illegitimate criticism - and very clever, as well, as evidenced by your slipping Dr. Kurt Harris' comment from CarbSane's blog in among all those slightly less elevated comments from garden-variety trolls. There is a difference, Jimmy, and I think you realize that. And speaking of CarbSane, it's REALLY hard to feel bad for you on that point - because you CREATED her! Before your podcast, nobody much knew - or cared - about the anonymous, bunny-eared blogger attacking Gary Taubes. But, for whatever reason - controversy to generate page views and bring in readers/listeners, whatever - she was given a national audience, and we all know what happened next. Anyway, I'm sure this comment will be gone even before I can click "Post Reply", but I feel it is important that your readers know that not all criticism of the almighty LLVLC webpire is created equal. And why am I even reduced to posting on a forum of which I am admittedly not even an active part? Easy - because I've been banned by the head champion of free speech and open debate himself: Jimmy Moore. 
Well said, and thanks, whoever you are.  You know, you're right.  In many ways Jimmy Moore did create me.  The podcast basically doubled my regular traffic and it stayed that way,  but the next big bump in my traffic was my LC Morphing to HAES series and the like.   Jimmy coordinated with Taubes on that podcast deal and took pot shots at my character in Gary's "response".  Jimmy didn't care that people were trashing me for who I was and my anonymity and couldn't care less to respond to the science.   Jimmy wanted to take me out and he probably figured the little boost the podcast might give me would wane as folks wouldn't stick around.  And he was counting on his and Gary's fans to shout me down and he didn't care if some of the crap that was flung hurt me.  He was wrong, and the interest in the HAES series and posts exposing low carb FRAUDS is always stronger (page hit wise) than the science posts.  That's not why I write them though.  I write them because if a blogger with a "voice" learns of something that is wrong, I believe not sharing that with others would be wrong.  That I try and inject a little humor with the drinks, Lego characters, etc., is as much for my own entertainment as it is for my amazing audience.    That they are almost always hits tells me that there are people out there who want to know this stuff and are glad I'm putting it out there.  Exposing fraud and quackery IS productive Jimmy.   Read it and weep.

109 comments:

kayness said...

I saw that blog post yesterday, and I have a feeling you're going to write about this, and I was right! :P

p.s. I've been reading your blog to perhaps close to two years now, I just don't usually comment.

AgingHippie said...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/livinlowcarbman/More%20great%20photos/Screenshot2012-04-30at122712PM.png

This one was mine

Woodey said...

New theme song for Jimmy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaGKxAgCguU&ob=av3e

KD said...

My guess is that what really got the low carbers riled up about you wasn't so much your poking holes in their science (Most of us lay folk aren't really able to conclusively figure out who's bringing the honest science to the table and who is willing to stretch the truth to fit a theory), but rather your common sense and clarity in pointing out things like drinking 16 cans of Coke a day is outside the government health guidelines and that the bottom line is that calories matter. It's a little like getting an alcoholic to accept that they have a drinking problem- that's the hardest part.

The effectiveness of Jimmy's 'broken metabolism' and 'the government caused all this' lines show's how big a market there is for excusing the obvious. That's the real shame of paleo or whatever you want to call it getting co-opted- for a huge percentage of people a message of don't eat processed junk, sleep more, exercise more and learn to relax is correct, simple and a very helpful list of things to fix first. It just doesn't sooth the ego as well as broken metabolisms, magic supplements, evil government agencies, diabolical macronutrients, uncontrolled hormones and so on.

Woodey said...

Jimmy's podcast with you was what got me interested to check out your blog. At the time I must admit I was still highly involved in LC and drinking the Taubes Kool-Aid so I was biased. However, how you handled yourself and the obvious amount of knowledge you had made an impression. So when the time came for me to seriously question LC/Paleo I went here first and I haven't left.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I learned more on this site in the first two weeks about nutrition than I did in an entire year of following Moore/Naughton/Taubes.

You do a really good job in being able to go after monkeys like Jimmy with more class than I ever will. I have way to much emotion that fuels my writings and a philosophy towards humanity that influences how I approach others. If I think someone is being a whiny scumbag, then that's what I call them, hence I tend to get labeled a troll. I can live with that.

Thanks for the time and effort you put into your blog, its doing a lot of good.

Galina L. said...

JM's post about nasty criticism pushed my buttons and I felt hit home for me. I left several criticizing comments here and there about his "personal preferences" in the amount of food and sweeteners required to eat half of a sweet potato. In my eyes he is beyond any hope, and I expressed just that. I feel very critical often about people who claim, for example, they cant't stop eating bread or unable to pass a cookie. Probably, it is easier for me because I grew-up in a masochistic society and never particularly liked cookies, and may be I have no idea haw hard it is for others.
I actually felt regret about my comments after reading his post. He is tortured by his condition enough, and obviously can't do much about it for whatever reason, personal or natural, lack of willpower strength... If he could he would. He doesn't cause delusions by being honest enough about his ridiculous food choices. I have never been in his shoes, never needed to loose so much fat, before I turned 40 years old any diet worked for me, my live-hood never depended on any life-style. He works hard making available his podcast for free for a wide audience, no one does it on a such scale (may be I am wrong - Dr.Mercola comes to mind, it is just I can't stand him at all.).
Probably, he deserves more mercy from all of us, and definitely doesn't deserve to be very harshly ridiculed. Poor guy.

Unknown said...

People who set themselves up as "authorities" or experts, and attack "conventional" science have a burden to present evidence and debate honestly. JM and Taubes don't do that.
Harsh ridicule, and lots of laughing are in order. Taubes' rudenes to Stephen Guyenet is a good snapshot of how his mind works. If you disagree, you are an enemy. I am beginning to think there are a lot of reactionaries in the paleo/LC world.

Woodey said...

"Probably, he deserves more mercy from all of us, and definitely doesn't deserve to be very harshly ridiculed. Poor guy."

I can't tell for sure if you are joking or serious. I want to think you are kidding, but the internet blocks many of the tools used to decipher communication so I'm not sure.

Woodey said...

There where a couple of times on Facebook in the Fat Head group as well as Jimmy's own page were I said something to a person who was self righteous towards overweight people and got attacked for it. I mean not normal attacked either, these people where "I forgot to take my meds" reactionary. One tried to use internet science to justify her claims, she called herself an "expert", her links where bunk. She even followed me to another post to attack me she was so worked up.

What got me was that someone posted a mean response to Jimmy's thread on sugar addiction and how it is making us overweight. The person said that he felt he needed to go up to fat people on the street, get in their face and tell them they were addicts. I told him he was being self righteous and that if someone did that to me I would not be kind back. What struck me as odd was that Jimmy kept silent, he's 303lbs and didn't find it insulting that someone would post that kind of dribble.

LC/Paleo and people like Jimmy foster that kind of mentality, it's commonplace in that community. I really think LC is just another place where bigots can go and take out their bias on fat people. What's more disturbing is so many of them are overweight, but they think they are OK because they are doing something about it. Nothing worse than a reformed tubby or someone who thinks they are.

Unknown said...

It's funny when a fat addict accuses someone of being a sugar addict.

If you can't eat some potato or sweet potato without slathering it with fat you clearly have a problem with food.

I think LC offers solace for people who can't overcome their food problem because it offers a chance to move the goal posts ... you don't have to lose weight, all you have to do is avoid spikes in your glucose and improve the numbers in your blood work ... then you can claim to be healthy despite being obese, and look down upon the poor misguided "skinny fat" people who eat pasta and are doomed to an early grave.

Sly said...

Keep up the good work, Evelyn! Jimmy is manipulative and dishonest and it shows. In his "whine" post especially.

Beth@WeightMaven said...

I think a charitable read of Jimmy's post is that he did not mean that all the comments he shared were from his blog (he refers in the previous paragraph to the "hateful criticism" he receives). Yes, the construction of the following paragraph implies that these were posted there, but again, to be charitable, you could read the subsequent paragraphs to mean something related to what he does with those types of comments on his blog, forum etc.

That said, if he really believes that "the answer to the question I used as the title of this blog post [Aren’t You Going To Respond To The Negative Attacks Against You?] is a resounding no" and "My tactic is to ignore this stuff ... the world is a much better place if we all tune out the naysayers and thus lessen their impact" I'm not sure why you'd write a blog post about it ... or at least write about it at length and with so much detail.

Then again, there are 75 comments on his post of the "Jimmy I just want to give you a big hug" variety. If I was feeling pretty unhappy about where my weight was *and* I was getting hateful criticism, I might need some support too. I think I've said here that's my theory behind the data dump posts.

I did think it curious that he'd use the KGH criticism since not that long ago Kurt was one of the favorite podcasts (and since Jimmy could easily make his point without Kurt's comment ... perhaps b/c of the source that one really hurt?)

Woodey said...

"My tactic is to ignore this stuff ... the world is a much better place if we all tune out the naysayers and thus lessen their impact"

He contradicts himself big time. If you go to his Facebook page he has one of his criticisms he posted as his background photo (he posted it long before his boo hoo blog). Obviously the stuff is getting to him and his blog post is just his way to get "hugs" and "Jesus loves you comfort".

BTW I was honored that I made such an impact on him. I was a little embarrassed by my poor writing skills though. I think my English 101 teacher who gave me an "A" in the class would be upset to.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Thanks for reading, and it's nice to hear from you!

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Y'know, I didn't even read the other comments b/c that one from Kurt Harris from my blog just jumped out at me and that really is below ridiculously low for him to present that comment in the context that he did. But I just went and read them all and there's not much there that's even over the top. A little cutting to the core, etc., but if that's the "best" he can do to complain about I'm surprised anyone sympathizes. And yet 70 and counting comments, 1 critical. Sheesh.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

LOL!

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Excellent insights. I think folks take offense to ANY indication that even a PART of their obesity might be due to their own actions. It's easier to blame something outside one's control than take any responsibility. I struggle with rationalizing my own situation these days. I mean I'm not at ideal weight and I do believe 150 lbs would be possible for me. But at what cost to my sanity? We all balance these things at some point. If someone calls me lazy for not doing more, well, I could gget upset but it's because it's at least a little bit true! That doesn't make the person who points to my laziness a "hater", nor does it make me a bad person.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Thank you Woodey! It's really funny because as much as I joke around, I don't pull the durianrider act here. And so odd how last year Jimmy moved heavan and earth to interview that guy!

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Jimmy made his bed.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

The comment by Hold the Hoax on his forum is gone. Guess HtH didn't learn the fine art of comment decorum.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Sorry Beth but you are doing too charitable a read here. These sample comments I shared above are only a few of the ones I’ve received just over the past week. There is nothing ambiguous about that statement. He says those were a sampling of comments he has received in the past week.

I share your shock at the KGH "lift". Kurt was the #1 vote getter for Encore Week last year ... my how things change.

You hit nail on hhead of why this post was made. Jimmy needed some love.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Thanks Sly & Welcome!

bentleyj74 said...

Perhaps there is at least a current photo of JM next to the definition of "Passive aggressive". He clearly implied the quotes were from his comments section but left that tiny unspoken "out" clause to hide behind when some "uncharitable" persons calls him onto the carpet for his manipulation and dishonesty. That little vague spot does exactly what it's designed to do...take the heat OFF of him and put responsibility for interpretation onto the challenger. That's how you know who the "nice" people are. The ones who feel pity for you [so mistreated] and buy into the aww shucks facade.

Galina L. said...

Somehow reading JM's post made me feel like I was unnecessary cruel to him in some of my comments not on his blog. It is possible, he didn't read it, but you never know for sure with internet. Of course, it was appropriate for me to comment on his "personal preferences" in his blog(what I did without being disrespectful) because it looks like he just doesn't get it how normal food tastes like , but I think I may misunderstand how hard it could be for someone in his condition to exercise a good self-control on any diet. It is almost similar to be proud that I walk faster than a person who experienced an injury in his past. I am in a more fortunate situation and in a future I will try to make more effort to be less judgmental to other people.

Beth@WeightMaven said...

Actually, I do have a lot of compassion for Jimmy. Yes, he's made his bed (and can be unkind if it supports his ideology), but I feel for anyone who is struggling with their weight (see also: Carnie Wilson).

It may be obvious to others how to armchair quarterback someone else's issues, but having been in those shoes (for decades) I know how hard it can be to let go of what's not working for you.

Galina L. said...

Sure, your are right, probably, when he was making it at the beginning his hopes were higher. Life always brings corrections, and such corrections are rarely kind. It is just that his post made me sad. He must go through hell right now. There are enough people fortunately to give him hugs, not me, I am out. I still think he is done, but at such relatively young age it is always a hope.

bentleyj74 said...

"Somehow reading JM's post made me feel like I was unnecessary cruel to him in some of my comments"

Oh good, it did it's job then.

bentleyj74 said...

"It may be obvious to others how to armchair quarterback someone else's issues, but having been in those shoes (for decades) I know how hard it can be to let go of what's not working for you."

How hard is it for you to stop using dishonesty and manipulation to capitalize on other peoples struggles as your primary source of income? Ooooh ouchie...that's just a little less easy to sympathize with isn't it? If I call him onto the carpet for his BEHAVIOR I do not have empathy for his situation or condition. Convenient. I need to GET me one of those easy buttons :)

Tonus said...

I am certain that he gets a fair share of ugly commentary-- this being the internet, the combination of feeling safe behind a veil of relative anonymity and the ease with which we can post messages before we think carefully about them guarantees that anyone who speaks up will receive some pretty vile messages. And I bet that a lot of it is inexcusably nasty. He probably could have posted examples that would have caused even hardened people to cringe.

But what he posted was generally pretty tame, and in some cases a reasonable criticism (regarding how it looks when someone promotes a diet or lifestyle that doesn't seem to be working for him). So I get the impression that he was aiming this at a specific group of people who are making a specific type of criticism. By lumping them in with "haters" and using a decidedly passive-aggressive tone, he is trying to smear people he doesn't like, while pretending to remain above the fray.

I agree with Evelyn that it's pretty sleazy.

Tonus said...

@bentleyj74: I laughed at both of those posts. So would that be a "LOLLOL" or a "LOLOL"? The second seems grammatically incorrect but would probably be a lot more fun, except for the sore throat afterwards.

kayness said...

very perceptive of you Tonus!

bentleyj74 said...

@ Tonus


Precisely.

Personally I can't decide whether I think KGH will give JM something to cry about for using his comment from another blog as an example or if he'll just wash his hands of the whole deal.

bentleyj74 said...

If he starts selling THOSE on his website he's golden :)

bentleyj74 said...

I don't understand why there has to be so much stigma attached to acknowledging the obvious contributions we have as THE common denominator in all of our struggles.

You know I'm no fan of sadistic choices so obviously I reject the paradigm that says I'm either above the weight I deem reasonable OR sane.

Lesley Scott said...

I remember when KGH wrote that comment on THIS blog. If ignatius is copy/pasting it & pretending its his on his own blog, it means he's busy lurking on yours. I know I only bother to lurk in places that matter to me, so in a way, it's a weird form of flattery that he cares enough to lurk over here, where the Dish of the Day is authentic food for thought rather than the Frankenscience served up (& slathered in Ghrelin-stimulating Coconut oil) by these tubby LC weight-loss "experts".

Woodey said...

He replaced his picture.:(

Christopher said...

I see it a little differently. From my perspective, the subtle inclusion of Kurt's comment among those of the trolls - as well as the omission of Kurt's blog under "The Best Blogs" on his LLVLC front page (where it had always resided) - was hardly by accident. It's a payback to paleo. In fact, you'll notice that NO ONE who's ever uttered a critical word toward Jimmy is there anymore (representatives of the paleosphere most notably. "Paleo peeps" indeed...). The next thing I expect to happen is for certain people to get blackballed when it comes to podcasts. Jimmy obviously feels he wields that kind of power and influence now - and he's probably correct in such an estimation. But as far as prominent figures deserving of sympathy (to say nothing of PayPal donations), I can certainly think of better.

MM said...

You're right, he must be lurking here to have gotten that comment from Kurt. For some reason I find that creepy even though he has a perfect right to be here and even comment if he so chooses. I think what I find creepy is that he acts like he wants nothing to do with CarbSane because she's such an "antagonizer," and he's not only reading her blog, but stealing comments from it and claiming them as his own.

Wright Mind said...

Evelyn wrote:

"Why does Twitter still say just 'Lost 180 pounds on Atkins, eat low-carb paleo, working through metabolic derangement, educating through my Livin' La Vida Low-Carb blog/podcasts' sporting a caricature avatar that bears little resemblance to you?"

Maybe it's just me, but I think his Twitter avatar makes him look like Frankenstein. Compare this (http://bit.ly/IunVC6) with this (http://bit.ly/IuprEf). A real photo would be better.

Woodey said...

Of course they are lurking, humans are curious creatures and people like Taubes/Naughton/Moore are no exceptions. They probably lurk so they can get educated on real nutrition without their followers knowing.

Sue said...

I don't feel sorry for him one bit. I wouldn't mind if he was still overweight and struggling and writing about weight issues, as long as he started looking at low carb without the rose-coloured glasses. The comments in his post above are kind of too much to take - so much love thrown at him. I bet he didn't include a lot of nasty comments and just threw a smattering in to get his followers riled up to defend him.

Woodey said...

The glasses need to go as does the mindless promotion. When I was on the Fat Head Facebook group he was constantly plugging his podcasts and posting stuff that was just weird.

He has his own Facebook page as well as his Living Low Carb page and then swoops in on Naughton's page. He hustles and it got annoying especially when some of the people he put on the show were total nincompoops. Funny to is that the main pic that he uses is him back when he was at his low weight of around 230. Can't post a pic of a tubby b**ch pushing a diet that is supposed to be a cure-all for obesity.

Yes my favorites are the God comments, "God has a plan", obviously its for him to stay fat. Which if that is the case he needs to trust in the Lord and come to grips with his fate. Maybe instead of eating he should be praying. Does he do Communion? I mean he is eating bread and drinking wine....oh wait! It just hit me his weight gain is from the carbs he ingests during the ceremony. The insulin being produced from it is countering his LC diet. Reason number 2,456,435 of why I am not a Christian.

Sanjeev said...

I don't follow Jimmy Moore much at all. I listened to a couple of interviews, read few blog posts but these 2 tidbits are intriguing

Woodey
> my favorites are the God comments, "God has a plan"

Hold the Hoax
> seriously, Jimmy…paleo? Do you even believe in evolution?

Does anyone know if Jimmy's a creationist? Were he European or from some parts of Ontario, Quebec, New York, California It would not occur to me to put these 2 things together this way.

Sanjeev said...

I'm not proposing or suggesting he IS, I'm curious whether anyone knows one way or the other, definitively

Christopher said...

"After the huge outpouring of love (and financial support–THANK YOU!)..."

Wow. The mind boggles at the thought of how much he must have pulled in over this.

Josh said...

Just a comment regarding "Exposing fraud and quackery IS productive". I completely agree with this but it is one of the most thankless tasks in the world. Some people react to having important things explained like how the insulin fairy isn't going to make calories go away as if they were a kid who's just been told that Santa isn't real (like the picture in Matt Stone's recent GAPS diet article). People don't take kindly to having their favourite myths debunked, however I fail to see how there is much to be gained (apart from a few hundred pounds) by having beliefs that are inconsistent with reality. Charles Darwin said that "To kill an error is as good a service as, and sometimes even better than, the establishing of a new truth or fact". Keep up the productive debunking.

kayness said...

Yes he is. I remember reading somewhere in his many sites (most likely not his main blog), I can't remember exactly where now SO SORRY :(, but he talked about how there was this guy who was a huge fan of his and wanted to go on the cruise to meet him, and then later on found out that Jimmy didn't believe in evolution (that or Jimmy told him himself), and that guy became angry/aghast/shocked and cancelled the cruise, and Jimmy then pulled that whole 'some people can't just respect a difference in opinion' thing like what he's doing now with this blog post.

kayness said...

OH WAIT! I found it! It's actually on his main site after all:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-524-kevin-brown-makes-the-case-that-the-paleo-diet-doesnt-exist/12589

"One of the people who e-mailed me after hearing this podcast, which he described as “bad,” exclaimed matter-of-factly that “evolution is a fact…the Bible is a fairy tale.” Because I shared in a follow-up e-mail with him that I’m a Christian who does not believe in the Darwinian theory of evolution and that the Bible has great meaning in my life, he actually cancelled his reservations for The Low-Carb Cruise coming up in May 2012. Oh well, it’s his loss and seems rather immature to do over a simple disagreement about something a podcast interview guest shared. Very strange."

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Thanks for digging that up. I remembered he did a data dump post of sorts also ... do you have to believe in evolution to be paleo or something like that.

I really dislike how Jimmy hides behind Christianity. I've received many an email over the past year or so from people he's been decidedly un-Christian to. I have no way of confirming every story, but based on my own experiences with him and the whole "stalker" thing, they tend to ring true to me.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

That's what this was all about! Ya know, every now and then someone would gripe about something on his forum and Jimmy would swoop in and complain about the enormous amount of money he spends to bring the free forum to everyone -- basically how generous he was for doing this. I see he's closing in on 100 comments, only one mildly negative and that person got jumped all over for being "insensitive". Boggle boggle!

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Thanks Josh, I gotta say, I'm amazed at how strongly folks will cling to their favorite guru/dogma. Oh so what if only one sentence out of 10K words is actually true, I lost 100 pounds in like one month so XX is a genius and saved my life. Nevermind I gained it all back and then some and have been trying for 10 years to take it off, LC is *the* answer! We just need more buy-in.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

He blogged once on communion: Should A Christian Low-Carb Dieter Refuse High-Carb Communion?. Jeez, a host or cube of bread and sip of wine or juice has like 5g carb max. Get real!

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Ya know, I had a caricature done once when I was like 12 or 13. The artist exaggerated one of my features I was most paranoid of at the time, full lips. (Back before the day of all these plumpers and fillers). No way in heck I would have used that as an avatar. This one is very unflattering of Jimmy and you're right about the resemblance to Frankenstein.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

It's becoming increasingly obvious that he's resorting to these pity parties to get donations from all his ungrateful readers. If just 10% donated a dollar he wouldn't have to pimp out to sponsors etc. This from a guy who wouldn't give up the name of the sugar free dark chocolate he was eating on his menus blog b/c he was trying to get the company to sponsor him. And now naive people are commenting on how brave he was doing those n=1's and taking on frankenfood manufacturers ... oh ... until Quest bars were coming up on the list. LOL Oh, and unprecedented transparency my ass, yeah, transparency about something but not about weight. Aging Hippie asked him about the yo-yoing on his forum and he just ignored it.

J-Sant said...

There's no way that I am going to feel genuine sympathy towards a wilful and capitalising hypocrite who exploits circumstances to manipulate his audience.

On the other hand, I do feel embarrassed for him.

Josh said...

True. It's a shame that buy-in and sell-out seem to be positively correlated. The 'clinging' phenomenon can be partially explained by known aspects of confirmation bias. From wikipedia - "Confirmation biases can be used to explain why some beliefs remain when the initial evidence for them is removed. This belief perseverance effect has been shown by a series of experiments using what is called the "debriefing paradigm": subjects examine faked evidence for a hypothesis, their attitude change is measured, then they learn that the evidence was fictitious. Their attitudes are then measured once more to see if their belief returns to its previous level...Follow-up interviews established that the subjects had understood the debriefing and taken it seriously. Subjects seemed to trust the debriefing, but regarded the discredited information as irrelevant to their personal belief."

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Oh Jimmy definitely reads my blog ... now. I don't think he read much before inviting me on his podcast, only perhaps parts of the posts Fred Hahn would send him. Had he, he might not have made the mistake of inviting me on his show because he would have realized I had the goods on Taubes. But since he's a regular reader. My HAES post with his picture was up for like 2 hrs before I was banned from his forum. I once posted that he had regained close to 80 lbs in a rather lengthy blog post exchange with Todd Becker, and he posted in short order that he'd only regained at most 59 lbs as his high weight at the time was 289. (this is because he insists on using the artificial 230 lbs as his low weight when it's not)

If he doesn't want to read criticism, he shouldn't read here. Problem solved.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Interesting thoughts ... I usually read his blog in my reader so I don't get the ads and such so it's been a while since I perused his blogrolls. I wonder if Kurt snubbed him on the Thyroid/antagonism data dump?

river rance said...

Here was my comment over at LLVLC's recent pity party,AKA fund raiser,AKA Kool Aid drink fest…...
"Really Jimmy quit whining. You talk the talk but have been failing when it comes to "walking the walk". Reach down, grab a pair and start "walking the walk"…loose the weight…man up and you will get respect not sympathy. Its really pretty simple."
Got fired on by a few for being a hater and my poor grammar (it was intended, like in My Cousin Vinney, yoots for youths}. I forgave my drill sgt. for calling me a "lard ass". It was motivating especially when his boot met my butt. JM's cutting and pasting of so called "hateful comments" didn't appear to be mean spirited to me…especially the one I read here first from DKH…truthful and spot on…Jimmy really is the 300-pound elephant in the room, at these conferences that he shows up at and tries to hijack. His passive aggressive personality is wearing thin. And he does need to get out from behind the "skirts" and man-up, and really try to help people…he can start with himself.

M. said...

“closing in on 100 comments, only one mildly negative”

I tried to post a comment yesterday morning regarding the use of the Dr. Harris example but it never made past moderation. Somebody commented about the anonymity of Jimmy’s critics, and I pointed out that the one example was from Dr. Harris, one of the more prominent voices in the Paleo/Ancestral movement.

I also noted the strategy on Jimmy’s part to try and intertwine troll comments with the criticism of people like Dr. Harris to try and pretend that all criticism is nothing more than trolling.

I guess I didn't show enough pity to make it past moderation.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Yeah, I think your's is the only one still. Most people don't bother trying to post anymore after a couple of posts end up in the ethernet. Jimmy censored like 2 or 3 comments and I didn't try again except whenever it was that GT backed out of the cruise. I commented something about how it was pretty sleazy how registrants didn't get informed by email and had to learn about this from my blog. That went into moderation and when I went back to the site I get a notice that I am not authorized to post comments or somesuch so official ban.

You know, I used to feel sorry for his wife Christine as she never seems too enthusiastic about being in videos. But she's Muzikgirl who posted this in response to you: "Wow! How insensitive can you be! It’s people like you that make this world a harder place to live in. You don’t know what Jimmy has been dealing with. You don’t really know him. If our did, you woukdn’t say crap like that. Thank you for making Jimmy’s point. You’re jut one of the haters…"

I mean really. She's invested in all this too so maybe it's Helsinki Syndrome. But I don't feel sorry for her anymore.

AgingHippie said...

Can someone tell me what a Creationism Paleo diet is? I'm curious

AgingHippie said...

Found this

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/can-a-christian-follow-a-paleo-low-carb-diet/9381

bentleyj74 said...

I think the seventh day adventists beat the paleos to the punch :) There's the hallelujah diet too. That one is anti-grain I think.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

From my reader -- comment by Lance Strish that's vaporized:

Sometimes you bring it on yourself. You said “that’s just Lance being Lance” and then and you blocked me on facebook when I said a neurologist
(offline) said there’s no cure for MS and
I said you and followers don’t want to hear it and if you want to ”surround yourself with Yes Men so be it.” And I was blocked from ever viewing your profile.

You shouldn’t have said “That’s just x being x” condescendingly and block… escalating things so quickly like that. Saying “that’s just x being x” is not humble and provoking diet wars laughing while mocking “vegetarians” and “vegans” is highly inflammatory. So learn from your mistakes, otherwise, don’t complain if you don’t want to learn. If you take the approach “They can’t be convinced anyway.” you’ll just further become more and more narrow-minded convincing yourself you’re the one true all knowing.

--------------------------------
I'm not a big fan of vegan/vegetarianism, but it always rubs me the wrong way how much they are bashed by low carbers & Paleos (as to the latter, it seems it attracts many ex-veggies, and you know what they say about ex-smokers ... I think it applies here too). Sounds like one of those comments was from Lance and was part of a heated exchange. Kumbaya!

bentleyj74 said...

"He blogged once on communion: Should A Christian Low-Carb Dieter Refuse High-Carb Communion?. Jeez, a host or cube of bread and sip of wine or juice has like 5g carb max. Get real!"

I can just imagine how that'd go over when he gets upstairs :) "No, seriously...aren't you aware that I'm insulin resistant?! Could we skip the metaphors and do the blood and flesh straight up?" It's all about having your priorities straight.

bentleyj74 said...

Someone could link her to a few "intervention" style you tube clips of addicts being confronted. She sounds just like any good enabler would. "You don't know what s/he has been through" "You just don't understand". "You're being mean and judgmental." Enablers can even be saboteurs. Who knows how deep that rabbit hole goes. [shudder]

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Was that you on his forum? It's funny because he almost never removed posts there and there was nothing really wrong with what HTH said. I gotta say he's either stupid or has a set after all to post that KGH quote!

I just tweeted some vintage Jimmy Moore ... my how times change. http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/fat-acceptance-is-a-ruse-to-avoid-weight-loss/1212

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Part of it also seems to be getting immersed in a community. Probably not the best idea to forge friendships based on a dietary lifestyle. Jimmy aside, cuz he has his own problems tying it to his livelihood, I'm quite sure that when the pictures come back from this year's cruise the average weight of the audience member will be over 200 lbs. It's been that way every year and for any pics I've seen from LC get togethers. These people mutually enable their shared failure. I imagine that it would be difficult for a person to try something different when there's no comparable forum on which to kvetch and such. I also suspect it's difficult to admit you were wrong or fooled. I feel pretty stupid to have been hoodwinked by Atkins about ketones peeing out massive calories, it fueled carbophobia. Huge paradigm shifts a la Taubes are more difficult to reverse. I remember someone posting on JM's forum that she just wasn't ready to shift back as the shift had been so monumental.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Jimmy has repeatedly mentioned how Christine doesn't have a weight problem and yet I saw a video of the two of them when they discussed how she'd lost about 20 lbs recently. She was <100 lbs when they got married and I think her high weight was 150-something. I'd say that's a pretty big swing to not be considered a problem. That doesn't just happen unless her <100 lb weight was due to illness. I've also always kinda cringed over the story of the demise of Jimmy's low fat diet. Christine asked him to pick her up a meal at McD's and he asked her if he could have one too .....

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Can't be apples ... too many carbs ;) I guess snakes?

bentleyj74 said...

Increasing your body weight by 50% or more? Well...yeah. Most people would consider that a serious gain.

M. said...

Nah, not me on the forum. I tried to post on his blog comments - not too confrontational or anything, just bringing up that the quote was from KGH and said that it was an "interesting" strategy to throw a prominent Ancestral voice into the mix.

The only thing I can think of why it was rejected is that he is actively trying to hide the fact that the quote came from KGH. Don Matesz did not fair very well invoking KGH on one of his blog posts.

AgingHippie said...

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/does-the-bible-consider-the-atkins-diet-a-sin/1582

When I weighed 410 pounds before starting on the Atkins diet in 2004, I was clearly not honoring God with my body. The sin of gluttony has full control over me and every way I tried to overcome that (including the overly-hyped recommended low-fat diet) fell miserably short of the mark. But then livin’ la vida low-carb came into my life, helped me shed 180 pounds that year, restored my health, and set my life in a direction that I believe is pleasing in the eyes of God. I give Him all the praise and glory for helping me overcome a lifetime struggle with my weight.

Guess the God thing isn't working too well right now.

bentleyj74 said...

Hmmm, he tied his faith into it all pretty considerably. I'll bet that's an Achilles heel that's gonna be hard to shake.

Tonus said...

That's hysterical. "Hmmm, do I take part in this sacred ceremony that is integral to my belief system and honors the deity that I follow with my heart and my soul on fear of punishment by eternal damnation..."

"...or do I skip it in order to avoid an unnecessary spike in my blood sugar levels? Decisions, decisions!"

Muata said...

Wow, Evie that post from Jimmy is only 5 years old, and he was quite adamant about folks making excuses for being fat. It's funny how times, and his attitude, have changed, eh? His comments are classic too ... It sounds like the old Jimmy would make fun of the current Jimmy's belly and thighs, eh?

Princess Dieter said...

Well, I am one of those Jesus-loving, Bible-reading folks, but I don't like cultish behavior. And I don't like mean criticism, which all these groups tend to fall into. I'd simply wish Jimmy was consistent with the doctrine: if mean criticism is wrong TOWARDS HIM, then it's wrong TOWARDS HIS "ENEMIES". It cant' both be okay. I think the best way to show how confident he is in his position is to only delete the real trolls (and we all know what flamers and trollers are for real), and let the dissenters dissent. Christ didn't run away from debate or discussion and, last I checked, he told us to love our enemies.

Hey, I've been discriminated and verbally abused being an evangelical since 1975...but I'm not anti-science, and I'm not anti-debate. I simply think it's ALWAYS dangerous to be "groupish". And that group could be blinded by a scientific theory (and refusing to budge) or blinded by a doctrine (that may be incorrectly formed). One has to be open to HEAR and SEE.

On this weight loss journey, I've tried so many different ways of eating, and I'm still open to hearing what is BETTEr or more RIGHT. I will not be a slave to any theory, cause we all know what happens when food dogma occurs--be it eat margarine instead of butter, or eat as low-fat as possible and avoid oils and nuts, etc: just wait a few years and see the studies show or the health fall-out of said way of eating. Wait for the conclusion: "Oh, that was not the best way to eat after all."

I think Jimmy, who is, whether he likes it or not, a brother in the household of faith, needs to remember that the Pharisees, as "holy" as they thought themselves to be in their dogma, were called out by Christ as very much out of sync with the real Holy will. We can think we're very right and virtuous, and it takes a prophet who seems rather weird to tell us we're on the wrong path. That prophet might be naked, married to a whore, eating locusts and wearing camel skin out in the desert, or otherwise bizarre and "other"...but the word of truth is in that odd mouth.

I happen to think, Evelyn, that you are a diet prophet in a way. You speak boldly, you make a fuss, and you look at issues in a strangely clear-sighted way, even if not particularly diplomatic.

Well, diplomacy isn't for prophets. It's for ambassadors. :D

I think brother Jimmy would do well to hear the oddball prophetess outsider --pardon that, it's said affectionately--because the prophetess may bring healing words in a barbed-message.

Me, I see a Biblical message that first told us to eat fruits, vegetables, and seed-bearing good. THEN, later, meat. And our sacrament is based on bread and wine. So...is God wrong? He didn't say eat fat and more fat with your meat. He said eat what grows FIRST, in the "garden". Then the animal goods. If we're gonna go to the Bible, sounds pretty carby Paleo, with a sidetrip to grainland for sacramental goods.

I do not believe we'll go wrong eating fresh and whole until scientists, doctors, ethicists, etc figure this baby out in a saner way. I'll do that until then. Real food, minimize processed, rest, water, a multi-vitamin,exercise, and not too many calories. And prayers. :D I'll just hang here while y'all hash out the details.

Oh, and I'll add that Jimmy needs to fess up. A lie is a lie, and he knows it's wrong. The comments weren't made recently on his sites. Made here, more than a month ago? Um, this is deception. God says that's wrong. :)

Later

Princess Dieter said...

Oh, and what I'd recommend to Jimmy, and I don't mean this snarkily, but totally kindly and honestly, is to be up front. He can say he lost 180 with Atkins--it's true--but add, "But I keep regaining and struggling. I'm X pounds heavier today, while still seeking the best way to eat to get lean." I mean, some honesty is not bad.

On my blog, when i regained FIVE POUNDS, I changed my pic and captioned it that I regained and was working to lose the regain. So, it's not hard to switch one's avatar and admit a regain. :D

When I lost pounds again, I switched the avatar again. I redo my ticker every couple weeks, to show up or down. So, really, honestly is easy.

Woodey said...

He removed the pic because Facebook told him to. His screenshot included my email address and IP address and I didn't want his legion of mutants to know any of my personal info.

Karen said...

1 critical!?!?! and it made it in????? is he slipping?

Karen said...

a serious question. Can a metabolism really be broken? I know we have a harder time losing and keeping it off but is it really broken or just the way we are?

bentleyj74 said...

Some honesty would give him more freedom really. Less than a missions trip to somewhere hungry but more than he's got now.

Karen said...

Evelyn! LOL I am a creationist, and please no flaming. On another site when I said that I was told I was to stupid to vote. And that wasnt challenged by the host. I may not be the smartest brick on the hod but I do have the ability to think, anyway, thats funny. Not apple - yes snakes!!!

Karen said...

The God thing works just fine when one listens! Its the listening that isnt working too well right now.

Karen said...

Agreed PD. totally agree.

bentleyj74 said...

"On another site when I said that I was told I was to stupid to vote."

Presumably by a believer in Evolution [as opposed to evolution]?

Karen said...

Naw he isnt slipping! Just read it and there are many "how could you's" and what bad grammar you have. Left a remark in defense. Bet it doesnt make it in!! LOL

Karen said...

:)) bentleyj74

Sanjeev said...

Thanks
> kaynessMay 1, 2012 11:25 PM

> OH WAIT! I found it! It's actually on his main site after all:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-524-kevin-brown-makes-the-case-that-the-paleo-diet-doesnt-exist/12589

This "elevates" Jimmy's behaviour to new levels of absurdity.

> Can someone tell me what a Creationism Paleo diet is? I'm curious

the same paleo diet as the Darwinian/neo-Darwinian but with the usual overlay needed for reconciliation.

The justification is that Yahweh/Jehovah/Elohim/(your choice) did the creating but since he made it look as if evolution was involved, that's Y/J/E 's way of telling the faithful what a healthy diet is.

IMHO this would not work for the "dino (Fred's dog) and grok (doing ballet lived side by side, kids rode on the backs of Triceratops" crowd. That's a large IMHO. I'm sure there are paleo dieters from this subsect of creationists... humans can rationalize anything, it seems.

Based on cognitive dissonance theory (The diet drops out of the toolbox of archeologists, paleontologists with lesser influence from forensic scientists, the vast majority of currently active researchers are not creationists) so any technically knowledgeable person would have dissonance between the 2) I would presume creationist paleo dieters just keep one hidden/quiet/submerged in their communications and self-talk.

the only diet I can think of that a creationist could NOT justify would be the Hitchens diet.

so the rationalizations do exist; they're probably pretty standard for stuff of that type but damn, I was just shaking my head in disbelief as I typed this up ... how did the paleo crowd let Jimmy even put his foot in the door, and how did JM even think of trying to co-opt the movement in the first place?

Sanjeev said...

> and grok (doing ballet)

I won't even charge Sisson a consulting fee for making the logo more female-fantasy-friendly. Heck, if he can sell paleo WHEY PROTEIN, he can sell women on paleo ballet.

river rance said...

There is to much of an "entitlement mentality" with those 2. Apparently they both need to start "walking the walk".

Sue said...

I am posting at a weight loss site where some folks are just getting into to low carb and are spouting the same low carb nonsense I used to for 10 years. Its funny to see the exact same points raised about the benefits of low carb, how low fat made us fat. You can't set them straight as they won't listen - I did the same thing myself.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

@Karen, it depends what you mean by broken. Those screaming fast metabolisms of those TBL contestants would argue otherwise. Whatever it did to his health, Jimmy's days of boxes of Little Debbies and such didn't break his metabolism. Bottom line, if someone's metabolism were "broken" then how did they lose weight in the past? That said, repetitive yo-yo dieting can wreak havoc if you're the type to gain more fat and lose more lean. One would have a slower metabolism. But when Jimmy has cut back in the past he has always lost weight at a good clip. Prolonged calorie restriction seems to elicit an adaptive response as does prolonged carb restriction (in my own experience). But I do believe that it's not permanent.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Jimmy has mentioned several times replacing his Coke habit with a Diet Coke habit and using lots of sweet frankenfoods. So he appears to be addicted to "sweet". Lots of cephalic insulin theories that don't cut it here. It's not sucrose he is/was addicted to. I dunno so much that he's addicted to fat ... rather exploits the one thing enough people around him are saying is healthy and doesn't impact insulin and blood glucose levels so have at it to vent his gluttony. One would hope that his supporters and such at least know what they are dealing with in Jimmy and counsel him off mic? Doubtful that a Tom Naughton is going to say it straight to him.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

No flames here Karen :D Years ago I was mostly a bystander in a long (and I mean almost Kruse on MDA long) thread on a forum discussing creationism and evolution. One participant was both a devout Christian and argued that if one doesn't believe in evolution they could not pass college bio classes or get into medical school. I always found that odd, because the only classes I recall even mentioning evolution were Genetics and Embryology perhaps. But as much as I disagreed with that, I do recall he made a logical argument for how both could be true.

I don't like the attacks on those of faith, as lacking intelligence or using it as a crutch, etc. Those making such attacks generally have their own crutches and beliefs that require some degree of "faith" anyway. Because we all know science does not have all the answers.

To me "paleo" makes sense more for the "ancestral" component. I don't think to turn back the very recent explosion of obesity and concordant disease does not require going back to the stone age because even the paleo authorities cannot agree on a single dietary composition, and if they ever could it would be impossible to duplicate that diet with modern foods.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Beautifully stated. I love "sidetrip to grainland" ;-)

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Very true, and you probably take that more seriously than some. The ticker yes, but an avatar for 5 lbs? I don't think that's necessary.

I remember in 2009 Jimmy's avatar on his forum was rotated quite a bit. I remember one with glasses where he looked very intellectual and commented that I liked that look. Folks can also have one avatar park-link, and link to it all over the web and just change the pic that link goes to.

But that's not what he's done, it seems that as his control over his eating and weight unraveled sometime around a year ago, he reverted avatars back to 2005 pics and has left them. He did change the description on his podcast website to "kept off well over 125 lbs". I'll never forget his rant against some "ignoramus" for suggesting he should change his "I've lost 180 lbs and kept it off" on his menus blog profile.

Ya know, the announcements for Paleo Summit and Paleo Fx used his 2005 Before/After. Jimmy really needs to update that.

Evelyn aka CarbSane said...

Speaking of tickers, they are a peeve of mine. So many use them but don't update them weekly or even monthly. So what's the point? Some even do manual "tickers" where all they have to do is go edit a number in their signature. I mean when someone is asking for advice, let's say their weight is stuck, and the ticker reads 300 top/205 current/180 goal the advice would be different if that's the case than if current is really back up to 255.

Karen said...

Thanks! We are where we are now in the worlds timeline. My 96 yr old fil ate a huge breakfast of pancakes, eggs, bacon/sausage and a piece of pie, lunch was fried chicken, corn on the cob, mashed taters and gravy or fried meat of somekind and green beans cooked with bacon drippings etc etc etc and always a piece of pie LOL! Of course before breakfast he went out with all the menfolk and fed the livestock, toted water, chopped wood, after breakfast the real work began, whatever the season may bring. And he is and has always been a thin man. So it absolutely cannot be CICO right!?!? LOL
I appreciate the acceptance and the ability to say what I feel I need to here!

Christopher said...

Those avatars - especially the "thinker" one - look nothing like him. But, as with most body-image things, there's probably more to it than meets the eye; that it looks nothing like him now is probably entirely the point.

AgingHippie said...

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/47-new-paleo-low-carb-health-blogs-for-may-2012/14254

After the huge outpouring of love (and financial support–THANK YOU!) from so many of you to my recent blog post about dealing with ugly personal attacks, I realized the importance of taking care of my own health and that perhaps that kind of daily negativity is grinding away taking its toll on me physically. Isn’t it ironic that in the midst of trying to help others live a healthy lifestyle that perhaps I’m partially destroying my own in the process?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P80A8vy9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWg8iaLuBDg

Woodey said...

"Isn’t it ironic that in the midst of trying to help others live a healthy lifestyle that perhaps I’m partially destroying my own in the process?"

So now he is blaming his followers for his health? Hitler (I know cheap shot for comparing Jimmy to Hitler, but if the shoe fits) did the same thing in WWII, he blamed the Germans for losing the war, said the people had failed Germany.

Poor poor Jimmy can't take any responsibility for his own actions, has to go around blaming everything else. What a terrible cross he has to bear.

Woodey said...

"Jimmy, after listening to your podcast for the past seven years, I feel like I have three college degrees now!"

I decided to peruse the comments from Jimmy's boo hoo blog and this just stood out and struck me as, "WOW, you gotta be sh**tin' me!" This is the mindset of some of his followers and is why he can talk and blog the things he does and get away with it. Obviously the person who made the comment has never been to college.

Sanjeev said...

> Those avatars - especially the "thinker" one - look nothing like him

who remembers the greasy poop thread?

here and
here and
here too

Sanjeev said...

More like Schultz from Hogan's Heroes. The proof's there that what you're doing ain't working but "I see NO-THINK ..."

Sanjeev said...

for the sentence you quoted the Hitler connection is apropos.

Sanjeev said...

> "Jimmy, after listening to your podcast for the past seven years, I feel like I have three college degrees now!"
___________
That was Gary Taubes using a pseudonym

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-439-part-1-gary-taubes-speaks-out-against-his-critics

> why GCBC was actually three PhD theses wrapped up in one book,

three PhDs, three college degrees ... dat dere educamation really be addin up don't it? (or is that be-n't it?)

Anonymous said...

He said he cures for chickenpox in adults felt there were" no national security issues at stake".

But then Nic would arrive home, creeping up the hallway
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