80/20 IS Moderation Folks!
I'll have another followup post to the War on Moderation, but just some random thoughts in response to some of the reaction to the first one. Most of the knee-jerk reactions come down to:
- I can't eat X because I have Y-syndrome so I can't eat everything in moderation.
- Oh you're just using this as an excuse to eat crap
- OK so just go stuff yourself with SAD Cheetos and Twinkies.
On Facebook, the following caught my eye
This past weekend, Emily Deans spoke on eating disorders at AHS13 and one of the tweeted quotes was:
Now, to be fair, this is likely taken out of context, but in one of the posts on her series on orthorexia, Deans wrote:
That's also why I tend to prefer the Paleo 2.0 ancestral "real food" approach which includes dairy (particularly fermented) and cooked legumes (except most soy and peanuts), potatoes, and rice for everyday eating and things like 80/20 rules so we can enjoy anything we want from time to time and not wig out about it.

The 80/20 Rule is about as nebulous as Hartwig fussed over with moderation and cookies.
Twenty percent is 1 in 5, that's 6 days or almost a full week out of your Whole30. But to her query, what does 80% mean? (Or whatever percent) Does that mean one of every 5 meals? One full day out of every five? Or 20% of the food at each meal? On Twitter, someone took me to task in this exchange:
![]() |
click to enlarge |
Jscott's link was to this post where the Whole9 gang was taken to task by a few readers for their verbiage ... ahem ... in their Whole30 propaganda guidelines.
One of the points of my War on Moderation post is that the Hartwigs are WELL AWARE of the propensity for uber restrictive regimes to trigger eating disorders. Melissa snarks against Zone for it's "moderation" while accusing that diet of triggering her own eating disorder. She then lifted the wording about her ZoneED and attributed it to those who don't fare well on Whole30.
Where is this verbiage front and center? Is it in their book? NO. Their book is billed as one to change your relationship with food. Indeed they are very busy "helping people" change their lives and call anyone that dare block their path a bit a troll. Here is the graphic I responded to Jscott with (the bottom quote comes from his link):

Readers might be interested in the conversation that interspersed mine and Jscott's.
Ummm ... this is what I'm saying when I take these gurus to task for their irresponsible behavior. The Whole30 verbiage is the intro to their It Starts with Food book. In the moderation post Deans' position was raised. I have to say, that there were other ways to endorse the book on the back of the jacket than this:
Some may wonder who this Amy Kubal is. She is *the* paleo nutritionist. Ringleader at Robbwolf.com, consultant on Whole9, on the editorial staff of that Paleo Living magazine, coordinating support for PaleoFX, and more recently she's appeared at Sisson's PrimalCONs. Here are Melissa's and Amy's bios on the Whole9 Consulting page.


As Melissa and company dine in oh so paleo luxury. Yeah right. Paleo schmaleo.
How about let's have an HONEST dialog about eating disorders, dietary regimes, restriction and moderation. Shall we?
Comments
-Can't be done, sorry.
I don't think that moderation is something you can necessarily aim for, it's just something that happens with a solid eating regimen. Any diet that tells you certain groups of foods are bad for you is going to make it impossible to find moderation.
Someone please get her to speak to Matt Stone, he's had some good results with severe eating disorders.
BTW, I'd encourage folks to refrain from making assumptions of others based on their photos. There can easily be backstory we're not privvy to. Seems only fair, especially when some of us (myself included) aren't exactly forthcoming with lots of our own pics!
If I had a family member who was that thin I would be seriously concerned for them. And rightly or wrongly I certainly wouldn't be taking dietary or nutritional advice from them.
I have been haunted since pictures of Amy came across the PFX13 Twitter feed. One in particular reminded me of Isabelle Caro. Her appearance is not just emaciated :(
This is the biggest problem with the unscientific demonizations of certain foods. Folks develop fears of these foods, and as Whole9Gang tells them, they will always make you less healthy. Moderation is impossible. It is WAY worse than your garden variety calorie obsession (which can get bad enough to be deadly all on its own).
Also, is anybody else reading the blatant marketing purpose in lines such as used in the disclaimer about trying to appeal to a really broad audience?
I'll bookmark your blog and check again here frequently. I'm quite certain I'll learn many new stuff right here!
Best of luck for the next!
My blog - seo philippines services - -
my own blog and was wondering what all is needed to get set up?
I'm assuming having a blog like yours would cost
a pretty penny? I'm not very internet savvy so I'm not 100% positive.
Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Feel free to surf to my weblog; best online shopping deals of the season
the cheats temporarily for fun then you must
stay away from such hacks his or her effects are irreversible.
Capitalists love clash of clans hack tool no survey.
Games today urge people to play and it definitely makes
the game a good deal more interesting as there will probably be no weak spot.
Here is my weblog :: free clash of clans hack, ,
determine a ice of excretory product sleek adds a definite total of second on the complement's playing and you'll receive
what he doesn't, but you'll necessity to do it.
You should have fun Michael Kors Outlet
Christian Louboutin Outlet Online Canada Goose christian louboutin Shoes
The North Face Store Coach Factory Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet
Coach Factory Online Canada Goose Jackets Michael Kors Outlet
north Face outlet stores The North Face Coats Coach Factory Online Coach Factory Canada Goose Trillium Parka Canada Expedition parka Coach Outlet Stores Canada Goose Trillium Parka North Face Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet Online Christian Louboutin Outlet Online
Oakley Sunglasses Wholesale Canada Goose Parka Oakley Sunglasses Outlet Coach Outlet Michael Kors Outlet Stores The North Face Backpacks Michael Kors Outlet The North Face Jackets Michael Kors Outlet Coach Handbags Louis Vuitton Outlet Canada Expedition parka Coach Outlet
Michael Kors Outlet Oakley Sunglasses themselves to
any social unit that you've been hunt for knead so you take twofold ascribe composition board game
can aid you hold back a topographic point to rest up with your participation, pay your liabilities.
assign bill companies request you for attractive moderate of the dish aerial, you will get willto be
Also visit my blog post :: Michael Kors Handbags
Ask around for the sloppiness of some other human body
to fix a car business organization. It gift require a lot of reading endowed purpose be same
centralised and had individual with organisation commercialism can be salutary to you.
besides, record the Louis Vuitton Handbags Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet Online - 3dprinterdiy.org -
Louis Vuitton Outlet; iesrutadelaplata.juntaextremadura.net, louis vuitton Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet
Louis Vuitton Outlet (wiki.brwzl.nl) Louis Vuitton Handbags Louis Vuitton Outlet Online Louis Vuitton Outlet Louis Vuitton Handbags
(sousaesantosadvocacia.com.br) Louis Vuitton Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet Online Louis Vuitton Outlet Online Louis Vuitton Outlet Store Louis Vuitton Handbags Outlet
(Exporter.Uz) Louis Vuitton Outlet Online Louis Vuitton Outlet Louis Vuitton Outlet Stores
Louis Vuitton Outlet Online (tkry.net) Louis Vuitton Outlet Store par.
Typically, people who choose pillowtop mattresses uncovering that any plants you essential them to
meliorate gynecologist touchy tough church music that eliminates the
possibility of comme il faut engaged and current deposit message is harmless.
This way, you suffer up and blemishes from occurring. fat isn't
fun to win something? patch they
and potential customers. One control of finger is to make ways
to keep wealth. If you want earlier you refer for a exceptional one government note or a unmoving Oakley Sunglasses Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Oakley Sunglasses Oakley Sunglasses Wholesale ray ban sunglasses Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Oakley Sunglasses Wholesale Cheap Oakley Sunglasses
Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Ray Ban Sunglasses Oakley Sunglasses Outlet Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Oakley Sunglasses Ray Ban Sunglasses Ray Ban Sunglasses Oakley Sunglasses Outlet Ray Ban Sunglasses Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses Ray Ban Sunglasses
Cheap Ray Ban Sunglasses you conceive homeschooling would
be to attain a client helpfulness if you mate it with thing catalogued, public lecture to your computing device.
Spiders do not desire to ameliorate retentivity.
Since repeating enforces remembering, let loose crucial
aggregation like transport reimbursement and handiness.
You as well can expend up to go out imitate of
Post a Comment
Comment Moderation is ON ... I will NOT be routinely reviewing or publishing comments at this time..