Jimmy Moore ~ Low Carb Asset or Liability?
Another timely bump. Note that this is almost one year after original publication. In response mostly to this post, Jimmy wrote: Who Knew Eating Butter Would Be So Controversial? Seriously? There's a difference between eating a pat of butter here and there, and putting a half pound on a plate with some eggs and calling that a meal.
A few weeks ago, I attended the annual Paleof(x) conference in Austin, Texas and it was such a fantastic experience for everyone in the Paleo, primal, low-carb, real food community. Getting to meet so many people who shared their stories about how the work I am doing is changing their lives is incredibly gratifying and makes me appreciate the unique opportunities that this platform affords me. And while it was a positive experience attending this amazing event, the fact is it was also pretty stressful. It’s happy stress, but stress nonetheless. Plus, as you’ve know I’ve been hunkered down banging out my book on ketogenic diets which entails yet another layer of stress all to its own. Isn’t it ironic that the process of writing a book about health could be so unhealthy? Ahhhh, but I’m not complaining because the end result will be so worth all the effort it took to get there. You’ll see.
With the rise in cortisol as of late, it has taken a toll on my ketones (under 1.0 mmol), blood sugar (hovering around 100), and weight (up ~20 pounds since January). I’m not worried about these things because I recognize what’s going on. Once the editing process of Keto Clarity is finished in the next couple of months, I’ll be able to devote time to recovering and getting all of these numbers back in line again.
Note the bolded play of the Martyr Card. Cortisol. Damned that hormone and its magical fat hoarding abilities!
Original Publish Date 4/20/14
Ahh Jimmy Moore.
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My own personal ketogenic rehabilitation plan: 5 local pastured eggs cooked in salted Kerrygold grassfed butter with garlic spices and a whole stick of unsalted Kerrygold grassfed butter.
After returning from last week's Paleo(f)x conference travel from South Carolina to Austin, Texas, my ketones and blood sugar have been going wacky on me. So to help get things back in line again, this is a great go-to meal to push ketone levels higher, blood sugar levels lower. If you're ever struggling with ketone production, try this and see how you do.
Jimmy went on to claim that he's so carb sensitive even leafy greens need to be limited. This will be Gary Taubes' lasting legacy from GCBC for Dummies, aka Why We Get Fat. If Jimmy replaced half of that block of butter with an equal amount of calories in not only leafy greens but even a potato or two, he'd be far better off.
For anyone not familiar with Kerrygold, that's an 8 ounce block there = 1 cup of butter. To go with butter to cook 5 eggs in. I'm not going to bother with the fancy nutritional break down here, but this meal is roughly 35 grams of protein and a whopping 180g fat. In one sitting. This is NOT healthy. For anyone. NOBODY in the history of mankind has ever considered a block of butter a meal. This is beyond insane. AND HE IS ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO FOLLOW HIS LEAD.
Later in the same day as posting this, Jimmy had this exchange on Twitter:
Yes folks, butter is gathered! This would be humorous if it weren't so sad and so many still follow this guy's lead. I don't know what Victory Belt is thinking giving this guy a second book deal, but that he is any sort of leader or mouthpiece for the low carb and paleo communities is a joke. Worse than Fat Head comedy routine fare at that.
I got in trouble for "persecuting" members of the low carb community when I began calling them out with my Is LC morphing into HAES series. I stand by that series, and no, no matter how much know-nothings repeat misrepresentations of what I say, I was not mocking ANYONE for their weight.
Read any LC diet book, beginning with Atkins, and there is the same promise of effortless weight loss consuming tons of food. It's the insulin stupid! But these gurus all ran into the same problem everyone else has: weight is difficult to lose when you have a lot of it to lose, and if you succeed at losing it, it is even more difficult to maintain. I get that. I've lived that. But the low carb community on the whole are poor ambassadors for their "way of eating". This is when weight loss morphed into "I'm doing this for my health" and *healthy* got attached to low carb all over the place.
Q: Why do you care about Jimmy's weight you middle aged woman, you? (paraphrased from marksuave recent comments here).
A: I don't. I care about others who might follow his lead. I care about their health and that they are making the best choices for themselves based on the facts as we know them, not as folks like Jimmy twist them.
When you read, look, listen and learn from the LC gurus, the health picture is pretty dismal indeed. Jimmy has been using phrases such as "I'm doing keto for my health not weight loss" since last Fall. Translation: "I'm gaining weight again". In 2012, weighing close to 300 lbs, Jimmy told Abel James he was the healthiest he's ever been. A year later, as he dipped below the 250 pound mark, readers were treated to a litany of health problems he was suffering that ketosis had resolved.
Why when I read that does the image of this guy keep popping into my head?
Now I am sorry to point this out, but in most studies involving weight loss on a reasonable low carb diet, metabolic markers do tend to improve. Not all of them, however, and that cannot be ignored. But Jimmy Moore may well be the first person to ever lose 80 lbs and see his LDL go up 80 points (or more). His fasting blood sugars had been creeping into pre-diabetic range for years prior, he required berberine to bring them down. (This, by the way on the backdrop of an ex low carber and a current one admitting to prediabetic and frank diabetic FBG levels recently).
And yet ... There he was at PaleoFX last weekend moderating two panels. One on how to piss off your mainstream doctor and waste thousands of dollars on functional medicine, and the other to clear up the cholesterol confusion only he seems to have. (Pay no attention to that MLM banner ... run away!!)
Jimmy has taken to loaning out his soapbox -- aka the Livin la Vida Low Carb Show -- to all manner of chiropractors and "nutritionists" practicing medicine without a license on the internet. This is his "relevance" at this point. The low carb community gets mad -- boy do they ever -- when anyone points out the circus side show nature of it all. "That's just Jimmy" pretty much doesn't cut it any more. That's a dangerous man is what he is.
So yesterday it was brought to my attention that one of my biggest fans, goes by the name of Eddie, is turning a bit on his friend. It seems Eddie is not happy with Jimmy's butter stunt. It makes a mockery of low carb. Eddie doesn't like me too much because I expose the underbelly of his beloved community. I also blog on the science here as regards what type 2 diabetes really is. In his world view, there is only one way to go with that -- VLC and metformin. It's a myopic view shared by many in the low carb community and they must prevent people from being exposed to folks like me who might show you otherwise through credible scientific references. But anyway ...
He is upset with this stunt. Hellooooooo?!! Where have you been?
- 2007: Jimmy gets to 248, goes on Kimkins, loses 35 or so pounds. Generates a lot of publicity, rakes in a lot of money.
- 2010: Jimmy gets to 280, goes on an eggfast -- nothing but eggs and coconut oil and butter for a month. He reported a partial cholesterol profile at that time. Not good.
- 2011: Jimmy gets to 290, goes on a beef, egg and CO "challenge" that quickly morphs to a BECO + chocolate diet.
- 2011: After falling off that diet he fasts for 6 days and reaches his pre-KK weight of 248. This sets him up to regain and he is up to 285 by year's end
- 2012: Jimmy tops 300 lbs and goes on "nutritional ketosis" experiment for one year.
See a pattern yet Eddie? These are just the major extreme weight loss stunts. Each time he has profited through affiliate sales and such as everyone marvels at the great weight loss magic. I remember your comments on the stalker blog about how he would "show me" ... ummm ... show me what? That he can lose weight? He has shown the world that many times over. He did it once with a low fat diet in 1999 losing 170 lbs then. The only person Jimmy is impressing these days is the naive newbie or those who hope his shirt tails are long enough to garner them publicity and a chance at the internet prize$.
Have you seen this video? { EDIT 4/20 Awww, he removed the video. No doubt because it shows him not only eating butter in a manner no normal person would, but because he did that while promoting Julian Bakery bread. Julian Bakery now makes paleo breads and has co-re-branded as Paleo Inc. Still very bad man and bakery to Jimmy Moore who hates that Paleo Magazine runs rull back-cover ads for Paleo bread and the like. Oh oops! Jimmy runs ads for Paleo Mag ... Awkward! }
Have you seen this video? { EDIT 4/20 Awww, he removed the video. No doubt because it shows him not only eating butter in a manner no normal person would, but because he did that while promoting Julian Bakery bread. Julian Bakery now makes paleo breads and has co-re-branded as Paleo Inc. Still very bad man and bakery to Jimmy Moore who hates that Paleo Magazine runs rull back-cover ads for Paleo bread and the like. Oh oops! Jimmy runs ads for Paleo Mag ... Awkward! }
Skip to around the 5 minute mark where he makes a "pizza" with *only* half a stick of butter on it. 2009 Eddie, 2009. Jimmy has been struggling against self-made metabolic demons. If his metabolism is broken, he did that, and it wasn't even the Little Debbies and Coke from his first 32 years to blame. Perhaps you missed all the times -- when he allowed comments and discussions on his menus blog -- so many well meaning folks, myself included, encouraged him to moderate his approach, stabilize his weight, stop the "up the fat" and calorie denial that was sabotaging his efforts. He didn't want any of it. But you keep on calling me an awful human being when I call charlatans out on their games and do my best to present the full picture. Remember, I came to this wanting to find reassurances about LC. You can believe what you want from what others say, but that is the truth.
Good to have you on board calling out the damage he does to what remains of the legitimacy of low carb diets for diabetes and weight loss. There is some. It is not a silver bullet though, and there are options for some that LC dogma simply will not accept. Why do you want to limit the information on which people make their health choices? Rhetorical question.
EDIT #2 4/20:
I forgot to add something that came to my attention recently as well. People who just come across Jimmy's sites, or catch him as a guest on a podcast, see him at an annual CONference, etc., generally have no idea what's really going on. It is OK to struggle with weight. It is not OK to be dishonest about it while personally vouching for products and services and profiting off of them. In the past almost two years Jimmy has encouraged non-diabetic people to waste money on diabetic supplies and it showed in his yearly review of Amazon sales. Even this tweet is about "rehabilitation" for his ketone levels, no mention that this has not been working for some time for his weight maintenance. Even if he were 230, it would appear that those 230 lbs are increasingly "bad" -- as in less lean, more fat, and more concentrated abdominal obesity, a situation we can all agree (I hope) is associated with being less rather than more healthy. But in articles and elsewhere, his ORIGINAL now almost 10 year old weight loss before/afters are still used.
Articles such as this one: Ketogenic diet expert Jimmy Moore credits low-carb diet for 180-lb weight loss. Granted it's an examiner.com article, but ...
... Moore, 42, said eating more fat not only helped him lose weight, but boosted his energy, eliminated nagging carb cravings, and improved his cholesterol profile. "Saturated fat actually raises your good cholesterol the best of all the foods you can eat," said Moore, who detailed his research in his books, Cholesterol Clarity and 21 Life Lessons From Livin' La Vida Low-Carb. ....
... Jimmy is a leader in the growing LCHF movement, which has been buoyed by recent medical reports touting the many health benefits of unprocessed saturated fat. Moore discusses the LCHF diet on his widely read blog, Livin' La Vida Low-Carb, and his popular weekly podcast.
Expert? Research?Moore joins a long list of health and medical experts who agree that unprocessed saturated fat does not cause obesity, diabetes, or heart disease. ....
'I Am Never Hungry'
Moore has had no trouble maintaining his 180-pound weight loss, and said he typically consumes about 20 grams of carbs a day. That may sound restrictive to some, but Moore insists his high-fat diet — which typically consists of eggs, avocados, bacon, sour cream, and full-fat cheese — satisfies him completely.
"Sometimes I actually forget to eat," he said. "It's freeing to not be burdened with the need to eat every three to four hours, like most people do."
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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bacon-jam/#axzz302VO3fzi
Some of these things might actually work but they can become cultish when meshed with ideology.
http://www.fathead-movie.com
Stephan's partner Dan is making part of his career the spreading of this knowledge.
In February 2009, he got a heart scan and scored 38 (50th %ile); in August 2010, he took another scan and got 29 (25-50th %ile). He attributed the 24% decrease to the half stick of butter and more animal fat he introduced to his diet. Why, even Paul Jaminet chimed in and congratulated him on the reduction and lauded the apparent anti-atherogenic effect of butter:
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/04/how-to-raise-hdl/
That was less than 4 years ago. What do you think really happened? Can I give you a hint? Seth never disclosed his cholesterol numbers but did admit that his HDL was "low":
http://blog.sethroberts.net/2009/08/13/heartscan/
For his age group, Seth was probably saturating himself with fat, excuse the pun. With low HDL and a middling CAC score, he probably had not insignificant atherosclerosis and some other risk factors, such as high BP and inflammation. But while he was a biohacker when it came to food, he didn't really like getting lab results; his 2 heart scans he only grabbed at because they were (or 1 was) offered free.
Maybe Jimmy will now come to his senses and ditch the butter stunt. Seriously, 3 low-carb or fat-friendly health gurus pass away in a fairly short period all from apparent CVD. Seth is estimated by many to have been in his early 60s. But moderation is key. There is no advantage for a low-carb or an extreme diet that promotes mindless fat orgies. Do you think Paleo will learn from this?
Hardly. Excuses are already coming down the pike.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/magazine/11FREAK.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Does the Truth Lie Within?
By STEPHEN J. DUBNER and STEVEN D. LEVITT
Published: September 11, 2005
The Accidental Diet
"Maybe Jimmy will now come to his senses and ditch the butter stunt."
Mmmm, well... I know that you know he won't! ^^ I'd rather guess that Jimmy will explain Robert's death with his excessive consumption of spinach. A clear case of undiagnosed carb sensitivity...
"Seriously, 3 low-carb or fat-friendly health gurus pass away in a fairly short period all from apparent CVD."
May I ask who the other two were? I didn't follow the subject so thorougly the last months.
"Fat is where it’s at and I’ll proudly continue to eat this way as long as my body is benefiting from it. If you don’t want to eat that way, that’s cool. But don’t bemoan me for eating in such a way that works for me. And for Jimmy Moore that’s a very low-carb, moderate protein, very high-fat, ketogenic diet."
The man is DELUSIONAL!
"Q: Hi Nora–How much butter is too much butter? We eat mostly Kerrygold or raw butter but my friend was concerned that we were eating way too much. Would love your thoughts. Thanks!
~Susie"
It's a shame you apparantly can't sue a "diet guru" in the US. I mean, damn, these guys are causing damage...
"With the rise in cortisol as of late, it has taken a toll on my ketones (under 1.0 mmol), blood sugar (hovering around 100), and weight (up ~20 pounds since January). I’m not worried about these things because I recognize what’s going on. Once the editing process of Keto Clarity is finished in the next couple of months, I’ll be able to devote time to recovering and getting all of these numbers back in line again."
The man has been UNABLE to control/stabilize his weight since 1999!!
He's DELUSIONAL!!
How can Dr Westman continue to be associated with him is beyond comprehension!
Is he still calling LCHF easy and sustainable with a straight face?
Jayson Doglet
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Sorry, but you've gained 20 lbs since January and want to blame it on stress. Come on. You're eating too much, or not working out enough. You've done the egg fast, and the sticks-of-butter diet ... don't you realize that you're suggesting that desperate people do stupid things? I would like to see you take a break, get your dietary sh*t together, and
get healthy before you tell other people what to do. As long as you're way overweight, you lack credibility. No thanks. No sticks of butter for moi.
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Jayson Doglet
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I appreciate your perspective and comments about this, Jayson. However, I don't these we've ever met in person or know each other in real life. So I can't see how you can make such declarative statements like I'm "eating too much" or "not working out enough." That's just simpleminded thinking that serves no good purpose in an intelligent discussion.
Your points would be valid if you were a friend or family member witnessing what is happening to me. But you are neither. I'm not sure what "stupid things" you think I am suggesting to anyone. I'm merely pointing out that eating butter is not the grand evil that so many people are making it out to be. That's all.
I'm doing very well in my health right now buddy thanks to that intake of high-quality
butter and other real, whole foods. There's nothing to get "together" about what I am doing. Walk a mile in my shoes as a former 400-pounder with metabolic issues galore and then we'll talk. Until then, your criticisms pretty much fall flat on their face as self agrandizing, arrogant, and ignorant.
THANKS again for your comments!
The man is living in the land of DENIAL!!
I expect Jimmy will have a heart attack at some point. I wonder if he will go into hiding or admit to everyone he was wrong if he survives it. Who am I kidding? He'll blame it on the vegetables he eats once a month.
"But a long term VLC ketogenic diet is not a good idea. It does not mimic the ancestral diet in general, even if some populations have tolerated it when they had to. There is no need for most people to do it to lose fat, as food reward effects are more powerful. I would advocate long term ketosis in those with neurodegenerative brains diseases like Alzheimer dementia and Parkinson disease, and a 10 day water fast followed by long term ketogenic diet is worth trying if you have cancer.
But I would not recommend VLC ketosis as a long term way of life the way I would not recommend running a half marathon every day, or lifting weights to failure on a daily basis, or taking chemotherapy drugs when you don't have cancer. Ketosis probably stresses the body and works via hormesis. But the clean up and repair response cannot happen if there is no rest from it.
I personally eat around 30% carbohydrate now and have not gained an ounce from when I ate 10-15% (and I have eaten as high as 40% for over a year also with zero fat gain) If anything I think even wider ranges of carbohydrate intake are healthy.
One can probably eat well over 50% of calories from starchy plant organs as long as the animal foods you eat are of high quality and micronutrient content."
BUT - why would some one on a VLCHF diet need Berberine?
ALSO - Berberine lowers cholesterol an a different pathway than statins SO his recent rise in TC to 392 was a direct result of his stopping Berberine.
This man is CLUELESS!!
WTF is he thinking? Is he thinking? Are his readers thinking? Looking at some other weird "views" I think we see some kind of new phenomenon in certain parts of the US society. "Denial-everything" or maybe "Peak-denial". Climatechange, detremental effects of free access to guns for everyone and his mother, evolution, obvious dangers of extreme VHFLC-diets, it's all just a conspiracy of the establishment I guess.
1999 - Lost 180 lbs on a portion controlled low fat diet - gained it all back in 4 months.
2004 - Lost 180 lbs doing the Atkins diet - went up and down for the next 8 years until he peaked at 307 lbs in 2012.
Started his stupid N=1 ketogenic diet - went down to 230 lbs and now he's back up to at least 250 lbs (my guess is he weighs much more - probably closer to 270).
SO - what does he do now? He's down to 3% carbohydrate - does he go full-blown zero carb diet?
What he CAN'T do is add back safe starches like his good friend Tom "Fat Head" Tom Naughton is now doing because that would mean his ENTIRE paradigm is wrong.
So he has likely regained close to or even half of the most recent 2012-2013 loss in the past year. This is reminiscent of back in 2010-11 when he would describe his weight regain of 50 lbs as "measley" on his menus blog.
I am sympathetic to the struggle. I am not sym
As Jimmy says - "Yes, I have complete control of hunger and have to be reminded by my
wife Christine to eat sometimes. I don't necessarily eat more, but I can attest to some weight gain due to the stress I already explained. Blood sugar is lower and blood ketones are higher in a non-stress situation. And the ketogenic diet free from cortisol abnormalities get me there."
SO - he doesn't necessarily eat more BUT the 20+ pounds he's gained are due to stress that affected his blood sugar, blood ketones and his cortisol levels!!
- Restrict food reward items
- Increase carbs to above ketosis or VLC levels
Most people will not regain weight. What you thought was achieved through carb restriction was actually done through negating food reward. But if you're a good vs. evil person, and cannot grasp shades of grey, carbs will always be bad. And sugar is worse, while fructose is downright evil.
But the world is a thousand shades of grey and confusing. The easy mantra is just to assume: carbs are evil.
Really???
Is he unaware that ketogenic diets cause cortisol levels to go up?
Althoughthe very low-carbohydrate diet produced the greatest improvements in most metabolic syndrome components examined herein, we identified 2 potentially deleterious effects of this diet. Twenty-four hour urinary cortisol excretion, a hormonal measure of stress, was highest with the very low-carbohydrate diet. Consistent with this finding, Stimson et al reported increased whole-body regeneration of cortisol by 11β-HSD1 and reduced inactivation of cortisol by 5α- and 5β-reductases over 4 weeks on a very low- vs moderate-carbohydrate diet. Higher cortisol levels maypromote adiposity, insulin resistance, and cardiovascular disease, as observed in epidemiological studies. In a 6-year prospective, population-based study of older adults in Italy, individuals in the highest vs lowest tertile of 24-hour cortisol excretion, with or without preexisting cardiovascular disease, had a 5-fold increased risk of cardiovascular mortality. C-reactive protein also tended to be higher with the very low-carbohydrate diet in our study, consistent with the findings of Rankin and Turpyn. Other studies also have found reductions in measures of chronic inflammation, including CRP with a low–glycemic index diet.
And the rebuttal
http://www.ketotic.org/2014/02/the-ketogenic-diets-effect-on-cortisol.html
Speaking of viruses and immune function, there is considerable discussion about metabolic issues and states playing a role in depressing immune function and triggering a hormonally triggered inflammatory state.
https://www.facebook.com/LLVLC/photos/a.213965122064796.47381.191018811026094/484608215000484/?type=1&stream_ref=10
I'm not a doctor though. I suppose there are other afflictions that could make someone die suddenly.
http://www.change.org/p/jimmy-wales-founder-of-wikipedia-create-and-enforce-new-policies-that-allow-for-true-scientific-discourse-about-holistic-approaches-to-healing/responses/11054
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-886-jimmy-moores-july-2014-lecture-at-ius-health-arnett-hospital/23791
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/11/that-new-volek-phinney-study-part-i.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/11/that-new-volek-phinney-study-part-ii_26.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/12/that-new-volek-phinney-study-part-iii.html
Levels of saturated fatty acids in fasting triglycerides and such is not any sort of established biomarker, try as the Voleks and Feinmans of this world would have you believe. And besides, the only real change they saw was in the MUFA.
If you are talking about me here "had the writer actually read any of the books, he'd have known ...", I'm a woman, and I don't make a habit of commenting on things I haven't read. You care to see my Kindle? If you're talking about Harley/Durian Rider, I specifically don't endorse him, but he makes some great points about the deceptive reporting on LCHF diets.
Living on low fat, low cal processed foods is a whole 'nother animal.
https://twitter.com/CarbSane/status/519235771426177025
Notice he backtracks a bit and claims that it's not a healthy meal, but also not unhealthy.
Then we get down to the real dogmatic proclimation of Mr Fat Head where he admits he'd rather have his daughters eat a full stick of butter than a single slice of bread. In my opinion this should discredit this guy entirely. It's absolutely asinine:
Yes, I’d rather my daughters eat a full stick of Kerrygold than a slice of wheat bread. No question about it. But they’d be full long before they got that far into a stick.
How the hell can low carb be taken seriously anymore?
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/should-a-christian-low-carb-dieter-refuse-high-carb-communion/2430
Quite frankly, he should worry more about whether or not as a Christian he should be lying through his teeth on a regular basis.
It's funny that he wouldn't advise an insulin-dependent diabetic to consume starch while he's done his best to turn his former perfectly well adjusted metabolism into one of glucose intolerance.
the “authority” of people on the street and mis-educated doctors) that
eating butter is bad for health."
Paging Seth Roberts!!
does he....really ?? i mean, he can't really believe that doughnuts are the same as brown rice.
maybe he is keeping this idea up as an illusion, so that when he eventually does have to introduce carbs back into his diet (and he will), he can claim that he reserved 'carbage' for refined carbs, and that there was nothing wrong with some potato
Hey, here's an idea for him to escape his self-imposed dietary prison! Livin La Vida Low Carbage! Jimmy eats a low fat, high legume/tuber/whole grain/fruit diet. Low in carbage.
He says he'll publish the results "Once all the tests are done and the analysis completed."
IMHO this is why he spent so much time attacking Dr Dayspring on twitter. The only question is how bad the blood work will be and exactly what "functional medicine tests to look for any underlying issues going on" show
i still see obfuscation, and dancing around the issue. either that, or he is just plain dumb.
even if he has tested (by various means) the effects of carbs on his system, there is still going to be a noticeable difference in the effects of brown rice & beans, and cake
>> "Hey, here's an idea for him to escape his self-imposed dietary prison! Livin La Vida Low Carbage! Jimmy eats a low fat, high legume/tuber/whole grain/fruit diet. Low in carbage."
which is what i was alluding to i.e he can still get to 'carb switzerland', and he only needs to backtrack the part that he can't even look at a kale leaf without his glucose meter striking on grounds of abuse
He preaches that we should all eat real food (#realfood!) and the next tweet will be about the evils of beans or bananas or whole grains or any of a hundred other real foods that people who aren't morbidly obese regularly eat.
could you do a post about your testing and results? I have been in
ketosis for a while only to gain/lose the same two pounds. I wonder if
something else could be the issue. Thanks for all the info you share!
My Severe Hyperinsulinemia Has Mandated I Go On A High-Fat, Low-Carb 'Eggfest'
Here are the 10 guidelines I’m following for my eggfest:
1. Must eat eggs as the primary source of fat and protein.
2. 1 tablespoon of butter (or other fat source) used per egg consumed.
3. I must eat an egg no later than 30 minutes after waking.
4. The egg meals ideally should be eaten every 3 hours, but not more than every 5 hours.
5. I will follow this schedule even if I’m not hungry (I’ll have 1 egg when that happens).
6. Cheese will be permitted up to one ounce per egg.
7. A minimum of a half-dozen eggs must be consumed daily.
8. The eggs will be local pastured eggs loaded with healthy omega-3 fats and Vitamin D.
9. Egg consumption will cease three hours before bedtime.
10. Diet soda will be allowed up to 3 cans daily with a goal of 1 or less.
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-fall-2014-cholesterol-thyroid-and-other-health-test-results/23857
Jimmy Moore’s Fall 2014 Cholesterol, Thyroid And Other Health Test Results
I currently weigh 275 pounds and I’m admittedly having some struggles in this area. Sleep is not where it needs to be right now (I just got a Fitbit Flex a few weeks ago to help me track it and so far I’m averaging only 4-5 hours a night) and I am working on dealing with my stress levels which seem to be higher lately. About 30 pounds of the added pounds occurred slowly during the writing of my last two books Cholesterol Clarity and Keto Clarity.
In hindsight, the obvious stress of writing two books with multiple editors, deadlines and such with a major publisher in the span of one year was probably not the best idea for someone like me. While I’m trying to figure out all that’s contributing to this happening, keto is giving me a fighting chance in my health until the weight starts to come down again.
It’s quite ironic how in the pursuit of helping others in their own health journey, I find myself sacrificing a bit of my own health in the process. That said, I’m so incredibly proud of those two books and the positive impact they have made on the lives of the people who have
gotten them. But it does take a toll on your body (I’m not the only health author who has reported this happening). The rest of the weight gain happened during my recent experience participating in Paul Jaminet’s Perfect Health Retreat in North Carolina.
This endless cycle of testing and looking for some bogeyman underlying issue when he IGNORES his serious medical issues (cuz no insurance, though how that works now with the requirement, my guess is he'll take the fine and go to his functional med "doc") is beyond comprehension.
Then there's the lying. Pathological as it is.
which, at his level of obesity (and previous LC diet), would have been just water weight
If this actually happened, I can only imagine how his attempt at #neverstopeducating went. The woman probably told all her friends how today she waited on a rude fat guy who tried to educate her about nutrition.
That's the rub. I'm sure he slept like he hadn't in years and felt better too, but it didn't fit his business model or diet religion, and God forbid it get out to his exhausted followers. He and his wife have loooong list of weird ailments that they had Paul Jaminet (blogger, not doctor) review, so they know that they are not healthy. They think this is caused by their former lifestyle and don't dream that it is a result of long-term carbohydrate restriction.
At the risk of sounding horrible, I wonder if their infertility problems, including the loss of adopted embryos, isn't related to the avoidance of a macronutrient that humans have consumed for millennia.
Not sure about the underlying fertility issue, but I distinctly recall Jimmy using words to the effect of "buckling down" on his wife's carb intake. In the few videos I watched or pictures he posted, she only ever had a plate of eggs, and instead of toast (her usual fix) for morning sickness? Medication.
It all seems like some weird dietary Münchausen/Münchausen-by-proxy thing going on there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjI7VeIA7ZI
which, at his level of obesity (and previous LC diet), would have been just water weight
EXCEPT - he's NEVER lost the weight.
Jimmy Moore’s Random Fall 2013 Health Test Results
Methinks he must've had them load this up with guacamole and dairy products to up the fat in the meal or he considers it a once-per-year treat for his wife...essentially a meaty Easter basket. Moreover, when this concoction, in whatever form it finally took, was packaged up and then handed off to the cashier, he then claims to have subsequently offered her a mini-lecture in nutrition.
Yeah, 'never stop educating' about how to be completely socially inept and ridiculous at a restaurant with already-harried employees (not sure about where he lives, but Chipotles are perennially crowded and their servers busy here in SoCal).
I'm sorry to hear about their fertility issues. It makes it all the more ironic that he would tweet about those evil strawberries adversely affecting sperm counts.
Recently I read a Jeff Volek interview. He is quite muddled. First he seems to say you don't need to be ketoadapted because your brain can use ketones right away. Then he says ketoadaptation is very important. He says nothing about the discovery two years ago that beta hydroxybutyrate is a histone deacetylase inhibitor. That's how ketogenic diets work, almost certainly. Ketoadaptation involves mitochondrial biogenesis, and HDAC inhibitors do that.
Perhaps the reason Volek says nothing about HDAC inhibition is that he has an awful feeling mitochondrial biogenesis might not be dependent on a ketogenic diet.
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http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2015/03/worried-about-cholesterol-andor-statins/
" My top tip is: don’t have a cholesterol test and then you’ll have one fewer thing to worry about."
"If your cholesterol is anywhere on those normal charts (2-10 mmol/l = 77-387 mg/dl) – you may like to stop worrying."
"If you actually have high cholesterol (e.g. 10 mmol/l = 387 mg/dl or above) OR your cholesterol is high for you (i.e. relative to what you know yours normally is – your normal – not the made up normal), remember that your body makes cholesterol for good reason and consider the following: are you injured? stressed? pregnant? recovering from an operation? illness? Any of these will encourage your body to make more cholesterol."
"Have you had a cholesterol test taken at the end of winter? in the heart of winter? Vitamin D is made by sunlight synthesizing cholesterol on the skin when you expose your skin to sunlight. Your cholesterol may simply be ‘high’ right now because you haven’t turned it into vitamin D (it’s the low vitamin D that will harm you – not the ‘high’ cholesterol – the high cholesterol can be a sign that you’re lacking vitamin D). Have another test at the end of the summer and make sure you give your body the chance to make some vitamin D with healthy sun exposure (not too much, not burning)."
So -all of us need to stop worrying - Zoe a=said so!
"The reverse pathway is all about carbohydrate. In the absence of
carbohydrate, the body will call upon a hormone called glucagon to break
down body fat to release the glycerol backbone. If the body has glucose
available in the blood stream and/or stored as glycogen, the body has
no need to burn fat. Certain states of exercise (VO2 max kind of stuff)
aside, I cannot conceive of the circumstances in which the body would
burn body fat if glucose is available"
Looks like she's part of the Taubes' GCBC school of thought.
I really have a hard time believing you can write something like THAT in the US without risking legal consequences.(?) Couldn't someone sue her after a MI for example, claiming he/she has been following her ridiculous advice?
Everybody who knows how an 11% fat body looks like won't stop laughing until 2020...
So there's this
http://asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2014/12/Zo%C3%AB-Harcombe/SHP_ADJ_274813.aspx#.VSGOHfnF9oo
ASA Adjudication on Zoë Harcombe
Her predictable response
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/11/the-asa-trolls-working-together-to-censor-progressive-thinking/
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/03/diets_do_not_work_the_thin_evidence_that_losing_weight_makes_you_healthier.single.html
The Weight of the Evidence
It’s time to stop telling fat people to become thin.
By Harriet Brown
I think there are other health issues that get overlooked with excess weight such as the wear and tear on joints. It can't be good to have 300+ lbs grinding on those knee joints for most of one's life.
This caught my eye and something that would be good to raise during the interview: “Those who have a BMI of 30 and up need treatment, no questions asked,”
While I do not eat pasta, bread, rice, legumes, etc more than half my plate is vegetables and greens for each meal. My lifestyle has never "stopped working." I do not track my daily carb count but it certainly less than the "recommended" 350 grams.
I am certainly going to look around - maybe I have only seen "attack posts" because they seem to be the most popular.
I also cannot stand folks whose diets have stopped working for them, and are even working against them by their own "confessionals" , still selling the diet to make $$.
We can disagree on the causes of obesity but we all have to acknowledge it's a recent change (last 30 years) and it needs to be addressed yesterday.
BTW I eat the "recommended" 350g of carbs and more, next to 15-30g of fat. My blood pressure and blood glucose are both in the ideal range and my LDL-C was 61mg/dl with an HDL-C of 58 mg/dl last time I checked three months ago.
Interest in eating sticks of Kerrygold or drinking buttered coffee to "improve health"? Zero...
Since Paleo, my typical breakfast is eggs (usually 3) with pork or turkey sausage patties or bacon and a side of spinach. Lunch is usually a salad or leftovers from dinner the nights before. Dinner is typically a protein source (4-6 ounces) with vegetables and greens.
Prior to Paleo, I was always hungry. I was suppressing legitimate hunger pangs (or what I appeared to be hunger pangs) most of the day until I could get a hold of a snack. I was constantly snacking.
Now since I started Paleo it is rare for me to be hungry in between meals and I rarely snack. When I do snack it is a piece of fruit pr a handful of almonds. I just ate a breakfast of 3 scrambled eggs and 2 pork sausage patties. It is 0830 and I probably will not be hungry until 1300.
I used to have exactly the same problems with constant hunger you did, when I was eating mostly but not exclusively unrefined carbs. Things changed completely when I eliminated all refined carbs. That was over 30 years ago and I have never experienced hunger since. I thought it was normal, but it wasn't.
"Eating carbohydrates makes you hungry. If you don't eat carbohydrates, there is no hunger. Of course, you'll never know this until you stop eating carbohydrates. Most Americans have eaten carbohydrates every single day of their lives!"
I always thought of squash as a vegetable but I guess it's botanically it is a fruit. I eat a fair amount of zucchini and butternut squash as well.
You would consider me low carb but the LC community certainly would not. If I had to guess I am probably between 100-140 grams carbs/ day.
I also know several people who are not doing so well on Paleo but when we discuss the matter, it's usually someone trying to concoct alternatives to breads, pastas, cookies, etc. I recognize for some people even "true paleo" will not work for them and I always encourage those people to just find what works. I explain everything is n=1.
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you said - I eat a fair amount of sweet potatoes, white potatoes, kohlrabi, and
other root vegetables. I also eat a fair amount of fruit, especially
strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, bananas, and oranges.
When do you eat them? No mention was made when you described what you eat for B,L & D except for a piece of fruit w/almonds for a snack.
Doesn't the World Health Organization recommend we limit sugar consumption to 6 teaspoons per day (or at least its newest proposal)? There is almost 6 teaspoons in 1 8 ounce glass of orange juice. Who drinks just 8 ounces of OJ at breakfast? I would guess almost no one who drinks OJ (I do not).
"Value" is useful in many aspects of life In nutrition, value is fatal cause it causes grotesque overconsumption.
So let's stop blaming everything on "carbage" or the "bad advice" Jimmy spends his career trying to convince people made him fat. Nobody every said 15 sodas and two boxes of LIttle Debbies was a healthy diet. A kid in my day might have had a single packaged Twinkie and a can of coke (though little cans of tomato or apple juice would have been more common, and even today's juice boxes are much smaller than a standard can of soda).
This man is a menace. You disagree?
When I was LC I occasionally used to get those BK stackers -- a 3 or 4 patty slider -- and ditch the bun. No wonder when traveling frequently (meaning more fast food), I would plateau, etc. I would have been better off with a "cheat" and having a Subway ;-) But I do appreciate the "groove" of staying on a plan.
I still believe it's mostly the massive amounts of sugar that are a primary cause of obesity but I am open to thought it's other factor as well such as simply ingesting a massive number of calories.
Not all carbs are "bad" but I was asked what is causing the obesity epidemic. I sincerely believe it's a massive amount of sugar being ingested.
I do not know if Jimmy Moore is a menace. I personally think ingesting an entire stick of Kerrygold butter is insane. I can barely get down a tablespoon cooked with my eggs. I first found Jimmy Moore when I was looking for a pasta that would not get me insulin spikes. I found his n=1 experiment on Dreamsfiled pasta and it convinced me to just use zucchini noodles as my "pasta."
My n=1 experiment is that excessive carbs (maybe it's refined carbs mostly) causes my blood sugar to rise dramatically. Since I have a family history of diabetes, it is concerning to me. Since I went Paleo, when I monitor my blood sugar, my resting blood sugar is normal any rises after a meal are nominal.
If you look at a single burger and small fry at McDs, that can easily be worked into most people's diets without causing caloric mahem. I get cross-eyed looks when I order that at Wendy's (cannot stand McD's, and I think it's a medium b/c there's no small, but it's been a long while). Most are ordering doubles, And nowadays people eat out fast food more often than 30-40 years ago as well.
IMO anyone ingesting 222+ grams of fat in a day is pushing way past their bodies' satiety signals.
I agree that a steak with salad is a much better food choice than a hamburger any time, even if the calculated portion has the same amount of calories on paper. Just because you have to chew the steak which is not "predigested" like the burger and the salad ads volume and fibre that is satiating as such. So in the end, you will eat less of your "portion".
You really have to push through his body's satiety signals to consume too much fat alone. I am sure it's a different story when you are also consuming 700 calories of liquid sugar with it.
Meanwhile if one chose a more reasonable carb source, or even the evil bread, one would need to eat like 12 slices of bread to equal that 2L of soda.
Assuming those large bowls were 1 cup each (doubtful) I was taking in about 380 calories plus whatever calories I was getting from "healthy" skim milk.
My 3 egg and 2 slices of bacon or sausage patties has about the same caloric intake (if not less) and I am not hungry for several hours (you know normal).
I rather deal with a few extra grans of fat than deal with the feeling that I am hungry even though I know I just ate.
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