I just realized that Robb posted a few comments on this post on his blog. My stalker (Google+ Circle Paul Jaminet, Richard Nikoley, Stefani Ruper, Jimmy Moore) that he's buddying up with didn't link to it. So anyway, in this post I will respond to some of what he said. I'll save the email exchange we had about the KKKrap for a near-future post. I'd rather not share it, but that ball is entirely in Robb's court. I'm kinda thinking that if/when I do, if there's still time, the "down in participation" cruise will have even smaller representation. (Aside: There are still tickets available to PaleoFX and even giveaway contests ... perhaps the community needs to ask itself why.)
So, Melissa called Robb on his assertion that I "drug him into" the whole Jack Kruse thing. This would be laughable were it not such a maddening flat out lie. In the exchange Melissa brought up the fact that Jimmy is once again doing a 6-day fast. Here is Robb's response:
Remind me, this is 2013 right? So two years would bring us back to some time in 2011. Yeah, Robb (and Gary) were set to do the 2012 KKKetanic before the 2011 one sailed and it was highly touted. I may have wondered out loud why he would do this but bugging him? What? The paleo God cannot even be questioned?? I never interacted with this guy in any significant manner until May 2012, so it's barely been one year that I've been bugging him, if that's what is to be concluded.
Yes, after Krusegate went down, I began questioning why Robb would associate himself with such a circus side show. Who wouldn't? I'm sure a boatload of his staunch devotees probably were wondering the same. So I guess Robb was stalking me (some call it reading someone's blog, but I'm trying to get hipper with the lingo) and read a few comments here, likely among a backdrop of comments from followers and HE felt the need to justify himself to me in this email:
I know you are reading this JimKKKins so take note what Robb thinks of you: "Jimmy's silly cruise". And, frankly, if you're booked on this cruise, I'm sure you are feeling good about how much Robb is looking forward to meeting y'all. It seems to me that the paleo movement has peaked or why else does Mark Sisson go on Jimmy's podcast to sell his new book in January, or give link love to Richard Nikoley in exchange for his endorsement of the sauce cookbook? In any case here was my response and his. I used this as an opportunity to touch base with Robb. Most of that month are a blur so I do not recall if I left the VM here. We didn't end up connecting.
Bottom line here, I was not "bugging him" in the manner he is implying. Apparently questioning his continued involvement with the fraud Jimmy Moore might have bugged him, but I can't help that. Speaking of which, one of the things I wanted to discuss with him was Jimmy's inaction following Krusegate. Below are two picture Jimmy's wife posted to Facebook. I've taken screenshots to protect the innocent ;-)
You can click to enlarge but the photo captions are for on their way to their stateroom, and their stateroom. Now Robb was in possession of Jack Kruse's stateroom number, it was in the letter Jack wrote to Carnival that he included in his email to Robb. It included his booking and cabin number: "I was booked to cabin 2278". Below is the relevant Carnival Magic Deck Plan.
Now, if it really went down as Jack said, Jimmy would know. And he knew/knows that it didn't. That sort of crazy doesn't go down on a cruiseship w/o everyone knowing something happened. QED. My guess is if Jack was detained, it was pre-boarding.
Again, a very special thank you to Robb Wolf for complaining that I have withheld such critical information from emails and not shared all that I know with my readers out of some apparently misplaced sense of common courtesy. I never had any intention of sharing this! Robb really kinda owes me a thank you dontcha think?
That would be “silly ass cruise” not “silly cruise”.... you don’t want Wolf slinging all that bandwidth at ya, for misquoting him. By his own words, he is a vulgar communicator. If you get his exact height we’ll order him some big boy pants, we may have to shop in the children’s dept.
I suppose revisionist history happens in more than just academia.
Anyway, I have no problems with anyone doing an educational stint on a "silly ass cruise", if they're willing to be Elijahs--throw them the truth, even if it ruffles feathers. If Robb had that in mind, why not? Some folks might benefit.
I do think Paleo has been mainstreamed. It's on lists of "best diets" now, and people in my own family who were ridiculing it when I was talking about it in 2010 and 2011 are now thinking of trying it or have friends doing it or have personal trainers pushing it. So, the message got out. I'd rather have folks eating like Robb than like Jimmy. Jimmy's food plans are batshit nuts.
Anyway, on a totally unrelated note, I was going to ask you about papayas. I had one this morning and, as with every other time I've eaten one or drank papaya juice, it had a slight sort of rotten/bile smell to it. Is this just how papayas are or is it a result of them being picked unripe and shipped around?
What are your thoughts on training in a fasted state?
As if writing a book isn’t challenging enough right now, I’ve decided to do another one-week fasting experiment all this week to see how I do in a fully keto-adapted state as part of my nutritional ketosis n=1 experiment. I started at 7PM on Saturday night and hope to make it a full week to this Saturday night. When I did this a couple of years ago it was a challenge since I was simply eating low-carb and not necessarily being in a state of ketosis (my NK testing has shown there is a BIG difference). As I’m writing this, I’m coming up on 48 hours without any food at all. Interestingly, my hunger has been very well-controlled although I am finally starting to feel that gnawing in my stomach. I’m testing my blood sugar, blood ketones and weight every hour on the waking hour all week long and will publish those results for you soon. If at any point my blood sugar dips too low, I’ll end the experiment immediately. So far, the lowest my blood sugar has gone is 70 and I felt completely fine. Blood ketones levels are predictably rising the longer I fast and I fully expect them to go up over 5.0 millimolar before this week is over. It will be another fascinating bit of data to share about my NK journey. Stay tuned!
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In case you're wondering, yes, I'm still on my 1-week total fast approaching 70 hours--just 4 more days to go. Still testing blood sugar, blood ketones and weight every waking hour. Lowest blood sugar: 62 Highest ketones: 4.6
Matthew Bowen I'm currently running a clinical trial involving glucose monitoring, fasting, and diabetes management at the University of Saskatchewan. If we ever had a participant with those numbers we would immediately end the fasting intervention. This is unsafe.
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This man has a problem
I think you got some bad papayas. Taste should be somewhat sweet, less intense flavor than a mango. Kind of like a melon-type flavor.
He does have a problem. I'm still convinced he binge-ate and this is his emergency corrective action. The E.D. person's solution tends to be extreme.
"What the current program consists of"
At present the program consists of a risk assessment as I’ve described above. Folks who are at risk are put through a comprehensive program of paleo/low carb nutrition*, exercise (mandatory strength & conditioning), help with managing sleep issues and continued monitoring. Police and Fire are not simply told “go lose weight” they are actually guided through an effective program."
Case one. This was accomplished with a low-carbohydrate diet, exercise, a weight loss of 12 pounds, and medication—in this case, a generic statin costing $10 every three months. The officer’s LDL dropped more than 1,200 points to ideal levels.
Case two - This case is a six-year follow-up on a 52-year-old police officer. He lost 40 pounds (including five inches from his waist) and corrected almost all of his numbers including four of the markers that diagnose him with metabolic syndrome. He went from having five out of five metabolic markers to one out of five. His overall risk dropped precipitously, and his triglycerides went from 270 to 38. These results were achieved by the same basic approach that was used in case one but with more pharmaceuticals.
Question - How come Mr Wolf DOESN'T mention ANYTHING about the DRUGS the police were taking??
I was thinking the exact same thing. I have done the exact same thing in my life before and completely understand the mindset and motivating force in taking such an action. Jimmy has an eating disorder and instead of getting help to treat that disorder he makes a buffoon of himself, while in the process leading many people down the same path. He's a warped enabling diet guru.
Oh wow, we definitely need more Moores.
Cause he hasn't come up with a cool paleo name for them yet...jeszzz
~~~Well, my water fast officially ended today at 72 hours. I started getting a headache in my left temple that persisted for 3 hours with my blood sugar hitting 59 for two of those hours. It was time to end it. I felt great other than that headache which went away when I ate something. It was a good experience I will blog about soon with the blood sugar, blood ketones and weight changes. It may surprise you!~~~
Anyway, Woodey, Just remember…."If you can't be an athlete at least you can be an athletic supporter."
Quacks and Conspiracies: The undermining of science and your health
I love fruit, by definition - in fact it was craving for fruit that was the final straw between me and the LC cult - but papaya is the only fruit I don't like, except in the form of Gray's Papaya Juice. :)
What's the story about fasting and muscle loss? My hunch, based on nothing but hunch, is that muscle wasting doesn't happen until your fat stores are really really low - in other words, until you've undergone prolonged starvation. And Jimmy isn't near that. I think that unless you get down to essential fat the body uses available sugar and fat to survive. But I could be wrong. Correct me if I am, but the fear of muscle wastage in fasting is overblown.
"I started getting a headache in my left temple that persisted for 3 hours with my blood sugar hitting 59 for two of those hours."
Do you think there is any medical significance to the fact that his left temple was hurting? I am not joking, I am asking this in all seriousness.
Or is this strictly an American phenomenon?
Oh and I also had a lady tell me how bad my oatmeal and dates breakfast was for me just the other day. I know the lady and she didn't intend it as an insult so I just told her oats don't have gluten and I'm not celiac anyway. This was also coming from someone who was stressed by the 2g of sugar in her 1600 calorie packet of bacon.
Another funny thing is the outrage over HFCS people are apparently eating here. Despite the fact that we don't even use HFCS in Australia, we use cane sugar.
What is not normal behaviour is 3 consecutive blog posts about old emails and cruise ship sleeping arrangements.
Evelyn is losing the plot and not one of her sycophants is even interested, let alone calling her attention to what she is actually writing about here.
Evelyn, wherever you are, stop pouring over old emails and the records of cruises you never took, and get back into science. You've had some good ideas recently (like the Med Diet series) but obsessively defending your bad ideas hasn't been one of them.
(referring to charles onwards, not ev)
Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration
Refeeding Procedures After 43 Days of Total Fasting
Total fasting in the treatment of obesity
Regarding whether this fast is evidence of Jimmy having binged, I just think that the big picture is that Jimmy is a walking example of an eating disorder. Focusing on this or that detail obscures the big picture. No one should be looking to this guy as an example of successful weight loss.
Suppose Jimmy had gone from 410 to 300 and stayed there for 7 years (and I stress stayed there), then he went on this latest shenanigan, I would say, "well done" -- really, I would, because going from 410 to 300 is no mean feat.
But that's not a tenth of what really happened.
He's a health time bomb.
I think Travis is exaggerating but there's a grain of truth in what he is saying about ED's and the US. The female saints who starved themselves to death were professionals. America is the country that pioneered mass production and the entire idea of popular culture. Popular culture can be great (think Fred Astaire) or a disaster (rap music).
Paleo is the rap music of food culture.
What does "Paleo Diet" mean to those who live in England?
I blogged this almost 3 years ago: http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2010/04/high-protein-diet-induces-sustained.html 20% Fat (15% fat initial diet switched out for protein) at 50% carb held constant. I'm pretty sure that the 25% protein weight loss diet used in the Ebbeling study was LF too.
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