Asylum A'surfin Musings ... What are you hiding Mike?
I was discussing the Eades' Sous Vide Supreme the other day, and I went looking for a link. I found this commercial on YouTube:
and this one
For those who aren't followers of this duo, or who didn't try the 6 Week Cure, these two ventures of the Eades' launched about the same time. Indeed much of the promised internet support for 6WC never seemed to materialize and was blamed on the travel schedule and such for "changing the world" with their new kitchen gadget.
I do believe it takes a special ego to think you're going to change the world with such a device. Even when they were relatively new to the market, one of my first purchases for my first apartment was a microwave and it wasn't all that expensive if memory serves. Even before the rotating carousel became standard, and before the invention of newer food packaging technologies that bring us microwave popcorn and steam in bag veggies and such, the device was useful for many things. The microwave was world changing. But a sous vide contraption?
Personally, I have never tried to serve medium rare steaks to a large dinner party, and if I had, I'm thinking the convenience the SVS would offer for doing such would outweigh where I'm supposed to park this galunk the other 364 days of the year. I have one of those vacuum sealer thingies and it spends a lot of time collecting dust atop the fridge. I only ever use it if I've purchased a bulk of meat on sale. Then it's worthwhile to dust off, cut the bags and such. But you know what else? I've used "good quality" bags for those devices and when stuff gets moved about in my chest freezer ... yikes! ... I have found that they lose their vacuum rather easily at times so I've not really come out ahead after all. In any case, I've never thought a cooking method that involves a food sealer (or one of those contraptions with an air pump) -- IOW specialty bags -- qualifies as simple to start with. Secondly, that device is not small and filled with water will not be light. Unless I was using that almost daily and kept it on my countertop I'd have to take it out, fill, drain, put it back. More hassle. And even if I used it every day, that water would need changing out rather frequently anyway. More likely such a device becomes a $450 space hog I'd probably store something inside in the way back of a cabinet ...
Ahhhh ... but that wasn't really the purpose of this post, that's just me thinking out loud. What DID hit me is that these commercials were obviously filmed sometime in Fall 2009 with the release of their 6WC book. Now ... Mike Eades made no bones about the origin of their diet -- It was to cure his and MD's bellies. To hear Dr. Mike tell it, six years or so prior the Eades were set to film their cooking show when the director noticed a problem, well two really. Apparently:
“We’re going to have to do something,” he said, “you guys are too fat to be starring in this kind of a cooking show.”
We were stunned. I was a much lesser version of my former fat self and thought of myself as pretty slender. Mary Dan had gained a little weight in the ten years since the publication of Protein Power, but certainly wouldn’t have been considered fat by anyone’s estimation. People we met at lectures, book signings, and other appearances uniformly commented on how thin and healthy we looked and always added that we were good advertisements for our diet.
“When you do lectures you’re dressed up, right? You wear suits, don’t you?”
“At book signings you sit behind a desk, shake a few hands and sign books. It doesn’t work that way on TV. You’re going to be moving around, bending over, putting stuff in the oven; you’re going to be seen from all angles. If we try to hide the fact that you’ve got a little extra weight around the middle, which will be hard since the camera will magnify it, the viewers will know. Putting you in baggy sweaters or loose clothing will just make them think you’re fat and trying to disguise it, and the show will lose all credibility.”
...“What can we do?” we asked. “If we try to hide it, they’ll think were fat; if we don’t, they’ll know for sure. It’s a Catch-22. We can’t win.”
Our director said, “I haven’t worked in this biz for over 40 years and not learned a trick or two. Here’s how we’re going to make this work. Since you, Mary Dan, are going to be the main cook, we’ll keep you standing behind the counter. You’re short enough that with the height of the counter and a little work with wardrobe we can keep you covered without appearing to do so. Mike, we’ll have you do all the moving and bending, so you’re going to have to take the bullet.”
The bullet in Mike's case turned out to be a girdle. As the story goes, after the careful/girdlized pilot, the Eades had six weeks to shed the paunch and they claim they did. I've never seen that show so I'll take their word for it. But six years later? When they write the book and are hawking it?
Well ... there you have the Eades' either hawking a cooking device in their doctor's coats, or MD in an apron with Mike sitting down in a baggy vest partially obscured by books and devices.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.....
If low carb advocates either are not following their own advice, or if they are and not achieving desirable results it makes no difference. It makes them poor "poster folk" for the lifestyle, and uncredible "gurus" for the cause.
I was skimming and thought you wrote, "these two vultures...."
Regarding paunches and such, the words to describe middle-aged men in the old Plains Indians cultures was: "big bellies."
This in the 19th century, from people who ate good ole grass fed buffalo meat, and who exercised real hard.
Maybe when you are a middle-aged dude, you should just wear the relaxed fit dad jeans and make your peace with it.
Just a suggestion, guys. My boobs ain't as perky as they used to be. Your belly isn't as skinny.
So, let me get this straight Evie, the 6WC was written based on their having to lose weight in 6 weeks for their cooking show? Please excuse my ignorance, but I haven't really followed them since I read PP many years ago and the exchange with AC, so all of this is new to me ...
It looks VERY contrived to have him sitting down like behind the stuff hiding him.
I tried that diet and I'm not sure why it never hit me until later that these two shouldn't have needed such a diet to begin with, right? Chuckle :) They also give a shout out to Slow Burn in the book too. Ummm ... again ... if less than a half hour a week is too much to ask ...??!!
Doesn't even look like a pressure cooker of any kind ...
But it's true. They're using the "hiding" techniques, and it's obvious to me. I noticed it before reading the post that followed the videos.
I don't think they look bad or wretched or anything. They don't look morbidly obese. But they don't look LEAN. Now, for many of us, just stopping being obese is enough. :D But I do think it's better to just fess up that you're struggling, cause many struggle. Just put on the spandex and show off what's REALLY under those coats. Most folks don't expect older folks to look like athletes (though surely some DO look fit and lean like New Evolution's De Vany and the recently deceased LaLanne). But we do expect docs to be honest. Well, don't we? :)
In fact, scientifically speaking, isn't it best for them to admit what they weigh, how they struggle with regain/middle-age spread/old age metabolism slowdown, and talk about how best to handle THAT with Protein Power or whatever....or to consider where PP may be deficient, if they can see something that may need to be tweaked.
I mean, for me, please, just be real and stop with the hiding/girdling. Says the gal who posted a non-girdle pic of me in shorts yesterday. hah. I wanna see the workout wear pics of the Eades.
Come on, doctors. Just show us the bods in shorts and snug tops and it's okay. We're all in the struggle...
@Princess Dieter - I couldn't agree with you more. Listen, those who have athletic physiques are in the VAST minority in this country, so nobody is expecting them to look like their ready for the cover of a fitness mag, but don't hide behind overpriced kitchen appliances ... LOL!!
Part of me wants to believe that they want to hide their weight problems because it's hard to stay balanced on a pedestal when your weight fluctuates ... and if you fall, folks just may not look up to you any more (read: by your products).
It just struck me as so very strange indeed seeing those videos now. And it's all the more bizarre since they wrote a book with Fred Hahn that promotes how you can be fit and trim with LC and under 30 min/week of the "right" kind of exercise. Are they not even able to commit to that? Or ... does it NOT work either?
Eades blames poor sales of that book on some bad reviews. I think it was more word of mouth that it was full of gimmicks and very poorly written. It was almost like they did a Google scholar search for anything that even remotely had been shown to have any impact on visceral fat and threw it together. Donate your toxins ... er, blood ... after the first two weeks. Nonsense like that.
The timing really is everything here and I think this is ultimately why that book tanked. It produced some short term results in some but even Jimmy Moore regained a pound or so in the "meat weeks". But why they didn't do their own "crash diet" before a video hawking their book is beyond me!
I don't believe the Eades invented the sous vide. They're just hawking their brand. It's a nice gadget, it seems, because the cooking is so controlled (Top Chef fan here!) but you can do the same with a pan of hot water, some ziploc bags, a thermometer, and practice at an electric stove. Or (my personal favorite), poach in a flavorful broth and then broil.
Add the sous vide to Metabosol, the restaurant franchise they bought (for their offspring); it's a product. Like the books.
I don't care if Eades wears Spanx (him or her). I'm the one in the WW meeting who thinks even the group leader should take off another 20 lbs to look better. No matter how great they look!
By keeping the juices all in one place, you can use less or no seasoning and you can get tenderness via this method that not even a crock pot can manage. Sous vide is an old cooking method, the eades just popularized it. I really think it has a lot of utility for providing simple food prepared simply, because that's been our experience with it.
Our sous vide suppers are generally our more sating meals, I would say second to bone broth based stews. So yeah, I like sous vide cooking in a discount laboratory bath!
But Eades claimed that back when, they only used the tricks in the pilot and 6 weeks later voila! they were looking thin and trim on camera w/o "help". So they should have been able to repeat that feat for this infomercial, and one would think there was special motivation to do so given they were hawking the 6WC book as well!
It occurs to me I could sous vide in my oven in my large stainless steel pot. I don't think they claimed to invent it, they were just trying to change the world by making one available for the home. Apparently restaurant quality units are super expensive. Hee hee. I've always found their money making schemes odd too. Low carbers investing in a Mexican fast food franchise?
@Princess, the thought occurred to me that I still didn't finger what really bugged me about this. Then it came to me in what you said that nobody expects folks of a certain age to be model/fitness guru fit and slim .... EXCEPT if you give them the impression that you are! And there's the rub with that book and those videos b/c here they were hawking that book while hiding their less than svelte middles. I don't think either looks fat, or even particularly overweight ... just not like they've been recent beneficiaries of the wonders of their own belly cure. And it makes those recent Eades blog posts I've highlighted here all the more distasteful. Get butter dripping down your arms and wallow in lard and you'll eventually get to slim nirvana.
The only sensationally skinny people I know are ballet dancers. Well, I do not know them but I see them a lot because of where I live. They also work brutally hard and the women have to watch their diets. (The guys not so much.) Pretty much everyone else is fighting the battle of the bulge, even my normal weight friends.
I've taken a lot of flack for my avatar pic -- I chose it b/c I think it reflects how I look in real life and my personality comes through. (Am I the only one who thinks that Eades avatar on his blog looks very different from how he appears in just about every other picture I've ever seen of him? And Dana Carpender's for that matter?) Rather than a restrained smile, or hand under chin or lighting/tilt/pose/etc. to minimize any look of neck fat. Interestingly when I lose a little weight, my neck starts to look more like MD's. When I gain it, I get pudge but look younger and less shriveled. Catch 22 indeed!
I think these two look fine on camera here. I don't think "healthy" cooking needs be promoted by stick figures. Many of Food Network chefs are hardly such (and I'm not talking Paula here) but key in on health all the time.
I can remember the earliest French Chef shows. She was 51 or 52 when they first started. Still a thin woman. (Sorry, I don't think Meryl Streep really looked like her in the movie; way heavier and shorter.)
She gained a bit of weight later on. According to her biographer she and her husband tried low carb dieting, which supposedly fit in with lifestyle because it allowed butter, meat, cheese, etc.
Result: Total failure and she struggled with her weight.
When I read this story I was still in my low carb swoon, so I thought, "Julia! You didn't do it right!"
Of course I now know why: she and Paul were probably scarfing down butter, lard, high fat cheese and meats...whatever, thank God they ditched the low-carb and went back to enjoying life.
In any case, she was never really fat, she just gained a bit of weight as she aged.
(Julia was also attacked mercilessly by the anti-fat jihadists, but she stuck to her butter-filled pastry bag gun bravely.)
I do wonder why Jimmy Moore doesn't see what's staring him right in the face - low-carb is simply not working for him any more.
Oh, and if anyone is interested, here's a takedown of "Slow Burn": http://bit.ly/nF5Bxf
That said, there's a difference between what you can get fat on vs. what will make you thin. If someone only eats meat and non-starchy veggies it would probably be difficult to gain unless they are really dousing things with extra fat. But if one eats fattier meats, dairy fat or eggie sauces it's possible. On the flip side, VLC no longer works for weight loss for me -- although since it has been a while I'm going to give it another try for a bit. I suppose if I ate just salad and tuna with oil&vinegar dressing I could lose more, but there's no compelling reason for that at the moment.
I participated in a group doing the 6WC over on Jimmy's forum. Oddly enough, many folks reported gaining back losses from the shake weeks. This caused many who tried to stick to it to go back to shakes and others not to even do the meat weeks based on reports of others.
I'm just not crazy about people pointing to others like Jimmy Moore or Dana Carpender the Eadeses as proof that low-carb doesn't work or stopped working. Here is a perfect example of someone, Dana Carpender in this instance, who indulged in low-carb treats and gained weight. This is the norm, not the exception. I see it all the time. Like the man says, keep it simple, stupid. People won't, and that's where trouble comes in.
"worked for me" just means that; one time one person had a good result AND AT THE SAME TIME they were following diet "x"
It does not mean "diet x works in the general sense" That's what science (especially the ability to design and run controlled studies), statistics, and a skeptical mindset are for.
It's like cancer: there have always been the occasional people who recovered fully. But if one of them tried a quack cure just before recovery, WATCH OUT --- you've now got a cancer survivor quack salesman who canNOT be convinced it doesn't work.
I've read many, many times from low carb promoters that If low fat is too hard to follow for lots of folks, it DOESN't WORK. End of Story.
"all high carb failures are the diet's failure, all low carb failures are the DIETER's failure" is an untenable, unscientific, double-standard position.
AND just plain unfair.
Can't stay on it?
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Works for you? Good for you. Let's get back to discussing science.
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