Know The Experts: Nora Gedgaudas, Page 151 & More
Updated slightly: 8/3/13. Original publication date: 1/13/13.
While I have no inclination to vet every so-called expert in the community, every now and then one comes along that deserves closer scrutiny. Scrutiny as to what their expertise really is in the areas in which they are giving so-called "expert" advice and information. On a few occasions this past year, Nora Gedgaudas -- author of Primal Body - Primal Mind -- has weighed in on the "controversy" over so-called "safe starches". While I've highlighted issues with her statements from time-to-time here, and Nora has been on my radar for a very long time, the fact that she seems to have such a prominent voice in paleo circles warrants this post. I first heard of her from (who else) Jimmy Moore's podcast with her aired October 2009.
While I have no inclination to vet every so-called expert in the community, every now and then one comes along that deserves closer scrutiny. Scrutiny as to what their expertise really is in the areas in which they are giving so-called "expert" advice and information. On a few occasions this past year, Nora Gedgaudas -- author of Primal Body - Primal Mind -- has weighed in on the "controversy" over so-called "safe starches". While I've highlighted issues with her statements from time-to-time here, and Nora has been on my radar for a very long time, the fact that she seems to have such a prominent voice in paleo circles warrants this post. I first heard of her from (who else) Jimmy Moore's podcast with her aired October 2009.
According to her website:
Nora Gedgaudas is one of the World’s leading experts on Paleolithic (Paleo) nutrition and author of the international best selling book “Primal Body, Primal Mind: Beyond The Paleo Diet For Total Health and a Longer Life”.
She is Board-certified in Holistic Nutrition® through the National Association of Nutritional Professionals (NANP) and is recognized by the Nutritional Therapy Association as a Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT).
Huh? World's leading expert ... on ANYTHING? I'll get to her credentials later. For now let's look into her great works as an international best selling author first, and we'll also look a bit on her website as well.
Poke about her website a bit and it is impossible to come to any other conclusion than that she is totally unqualified to discuss human physiology and metabolism. Period. Even a cursory review of the erroneous statements she has made on some very basic concepts should bring one and all to that same conclusion. One of the first "red flag" things I read from Nora was the following on her website:
Long chain saturates such as 18-carbon stearic acid (the most saturated fat in the body) is THE preferred fuel for the human heart. Stearates are commonly synthesized from glucose in the diet and are the primary storage form of saturated fat everyone wishes they had less of.
I interrupt this quote with minor quibbles. First, by the most saturated fat I think she is referring to chain length and not degree of saturation. All saturated fats are equally saturated. They contain no multiple bonds. But stearate/steric is the 18 carbon sat fat denoted 18:0. One can see from here and here that this is not the primary storage form of saturated fats is 16:0 palmitate/palmitic acid representing 5-6X the amount of stearic. Stearic is generally under 4% of the fatty acids, while palmitic is around 20% of the stored fatty acids. Continuing on ...
If you don’t like it, eat less carbohydrate (the Textbook of Medical Physiology states “All body fat is made from glucose.”). All body fat can be potentially burned for fuel, assuming one has a well-adapted fat burning metabolism, low insulin levels and expends enough energy to do so.
The title of that book jumped off the page. It is a highly regarded text used in medical programs, and it was the textbook for my advanced Anatomy & Physiology lab at RPI. I recently unearthed my copy, the Sixth Edition authored by Guyton. This text has undergone some revisions, subsequently adding Hall as an author (not that young biophysicist). Gedgaudas lists the 1996 Ninth Edition in her "Miscellaneous Dietary Topics" section of references on p. 365 of 2009 PBPM. The most recent version I own is an ebook of the Twelfth Edition.
I was astonished to see such a glaringly erroneous statement attributed to this authoritative text. So I emailed Nora to see if she'd made a mistake or could provide a more detailed citation in terms of edition and page number. She emailed me back that she didn't have her copy handy but {paraphrasing her} "I didn't make it up!" Well, that's the only way something like that makes it into print. It is indisputable that the vast majority of fatty acids stored as body fat -- especially in humans -- come from dietary fatty acids, not glucose.
Elsewhere on her website, she makes the same statement in an even more erroneous discussion of metabolic use of fats and glucose for fuel (item 4):
Your body tries to take sugar from a meal out of the bloodstream as quickly as possible. The first order of business is to send glucose to your cells for immediate energy. If those cells are insulin resistant, then the sugar has to go somewhere (and energy cannot get into the cell). Your body sends some glucose to storage in the liver and muscle as glycogen. The rest of the glucose (i.e., most of it) goes to the liver to get converted into triglycerides so it can get sent to storage as body fat. Unless you have a very high rate of metabolism (not necessarily a good thing) you are likely to gain unwanted weight. This conversion to fat from sugar is a labor intensive process metabolically and takes a LOT of energy to accomplish. –It takes even more if a lot of fat was eaten at the same meal as the carbohydrates. Since burning the carbs off is priority #1 (and because it is impossible to burn fat AND sugar at the same time), whatever dietary fat is there also must be first converted to sugar before it can be re-converted to triglycerides and finally stored as body fat (“All body fat is made from glucose”—Basic medical Biochemistry). This is a very energy INefficient process and takes an enormous amount of energy to do.
There is really so much wrong with the above paragraph, one does not even know where to begin. Suffice it to say that this version of human metabolism will not be found in any reputable academic work. Period. The whole excess carbs converted to fat can be somewhat excused as an exaggeration of a real metabolic pathway (de novo lipogenesis), but the red highlighted passage above is made up or perhaps gleaned from the pop-science "literature".
PAGE 151
The Trifecta Summary + Bonus:
- Grossly erroneous biochemistry attributed to big authoritative text, mis-cited
- Leptin science "lifted" from pop-sci mass media diet books
- Peer review research misrepresented. "Prehistoric" diet not VLC
And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion ....
Interestingly, this altered citation -- Basic Medical Biochemistry instead of The Textbook of Medical Physiology , from Nora's blog -- is made on page 151 of PBPM (2009). Here she states:
Interestingly, this altered citation -- Basic Medical Biochemistry instead of The Textbook of Medical Physiology , from Nora's blog -- is made on page 151 of PBPM (2009). Here she states:
Ultimately, all body fat is made from glucose (Basic Medical Biochemistry).
With regard to Nora's book, either you are going to write a work of opinion, or based on experiential knowledge, or you are going to write a science-backed work that is thoroughly referenced. This does not mean the latter cannot include opinion or experiential knowledge, but that the lines should be clearly drawn as to which statements are supported by which references, and which are the statements made solely by the author.
It is not difficult to properly reference and distinguish one's own statements. It may be slightly time consuming, but that's no excuse. If one reads something on page 255 of Text 1, Author 1, and several studies confirm a similar statement, this could be referenced as follows:
In Text 1, Author 1 first identified confusiun is the hormone that causes blinkered belief in dogma (1) This was studied by several research groups, and multiple studies have confirmed a strong correlation between heightened belief in dogma with high levels of confusiun in the blood. (2-5). Therefore, this author believes the evidence is compelling to suggest confusiun levels are a good biomarker for susceptibility to dogma-based arguments in the population. Reducing confusiun levels is a potential therapy to avoid this adverse state of mind.
- Text 1, Author 1, JonQPublishers, 1935 , p 125.
- Jones, et.al. Confusiun associated with belief in dogma. J. Dogma Res. 12:1322-1325. 1965.
- Smith, et.al. Review on the role of confusiun in dogma acceptance. J. Pop Psy. 130:12-22. 1989.
- Taubes, GT. Confusiun made me do it. Science Magazine. 999:999. 2012.
- Bailor, J. Meta-analysis on using confusiun supplements for fun and profit. Private Communication.
This paragraph and referencing structure makes it unambiguous which statements go with which references. In fairly short order, one could go to each to check and read further if interested. Teachers used to randomly do just that to check for accuracy and possible plagiarism. Even my hypothetical #5 is acceptable as it allows one to draw their own inferences on the strength of that reference, based on what the others say on the topic and perhaps even one's assessment on the credibility of the authors. It is then made clear that the remainder of the paragraph is the author's own opinion and words.
To his credit, Taubes does provide page numbers for texts, but his footnoting placement is far from transparent. His references are fairly "checkable" even if it takes a little more work than would be required were his books referenced more clearly as above. Bailor is less forthcoming on page numbers in texts, an unacceptable practice repeated to far greater extent by Gedgaudas. While Bailor only presents a smattering of texts in his references, Gedgaudas presents long lists of books -- mostly mass-media diet books, not academic works -- with no page references. Ultimately she puts both of these guys to shame with her referencing shenanigans as they are not even numbered at all. They are not in one alphabetical list by lead author., they are not even organized by chapter in some sort of chronological order. No. In PBPM, there are 30 pages of references organized by general topics, then sub-organized as books, articles and technical. At least at this level things are alphabetical, but it is darned near impossible to trace a statement made in this book to the source. As such, although she quotes and references Ron Rosedale several times, much of her book flirts dangerously with plagiarism (especially since much of his work is experiential and opinion). I'm frankly surprised he hasn't made an issue of this ...
But here's a classic case where Nora's bad referencing obscures crucial errors. On p. 151 -- same page as the presumable Guyton quotation -- she writes:
A fairly recent twelve-week study in Sweden compared the effects of a prehistoric (very low-carb) diet with what was termed a "Mediterranean diet" comprised of whole grain cereals, low-fat dairy product, fruit, vegetables and unsaturated fats. After twelve weeks, participants' blood sugar peaks dropped 26% with the prehistoric diet, and only 7% with the Mediterranean diet. (True Mediterranean diets actually look nothing like this.)
When I read this, I knew immediately she was talking about this study: A Palaeolithic diet improves glucose tolerance more than a Mediterranean-like diet in individuals with ischaemic heart disease, so I knew at least to look for the lead author Lindeberg. I could be wrong, but I don't see this particular study in the references, though Lindeberg is cited, yet there can be no doubt this is the study she's referring to. Why not reference this directly? This is the oddest part of her referencing ... at random she provides inline references in the text -- from names only to a full reference -- why not consistently just reference them all?? In any case, for Paleo v. Med: calories: 1344 v. 1755, protein: 90 v. 89 g, fat: 42 v. 50 g (sat fat: 11.5 v. 16.8 g), and carbs: 134 vs. 231 g. Since the caloric intake was substantially different, the percents are also relevant:
BOTH of the diets studied were "low fat" diets, the Paleo diet was even lower fat than the Mediterranean diet in terms of absolute intake. But more importantly, Gedgaudas misrepresented this study. The "prehistoric" diet was lower carb, but at 134g carb and 40% of energy, it's hardly a low carb diet by many standards, certainly not very low carb. Gedgaudas' focus throughout the book is on how our Ice Age ancestors led to our evolved physiologies to be fat burners. Glucose is BAAAAAAAD. This study in no way bears this out.
Before moving on from the references cited in the book to which Nora owes her status as "expert", I have to reiterate how many of her references are mass-media, pop culture diet & fitness books. Let's hang out on page 151 a while longer here -- because she brings up leptin and insulin. PBPM is heavily referenced with respect to leptin to the sorts of books I'm talking about. The book, interviews and internet articles of one Ron Rosedale (L.Ron baybee!), along with Byron Richards' book thrown in for good measure, make up the endocrine section of this book and populate other reference sections. It is disturbing how many times Mercola himself, or interviews with him are cited. Given as she does cite some peer review literature in other areas, one has to wonder why not one -- just one, but preferably more -- from, say, the "founder" of leptin, Dr. Jeffrey Friedman and other researchers? Here's one that might be appropriate: The Function of Leptin in Nutrition, Weight, and Physiology. Rosedale's version of the leptin-insulin relationship, parroted in PBPM by Gedgaudas, is not found in any of Friedman's works, or any scholarly work that I've seen, especially through the mechanism of dietary carbohydrate spikes and surges these two subscribe to. Why not at least a textbook here?
The Bonus: In the original post I forgot to add this statement. Yes, a fourth one on the same single page 151:
She is: Board-certified in Holistic Nutrition® through the National Association of Nutritional Professionals (NANP)
But at least Nora can tell an emotionally stable keto-adapted voice in the wilderness of carb-addicted maniacs ranting about teh internet. I dare not link to where this gem is located lest my rabid followers try to hunt down the keto goddess of serenity. ;-) Eh, just this once. Be nice and don't "troll" a private diary blog, kay? {EDIT: Ms. Wooo has represented this linking as my urging readings to troll and harass her. No. I only link to this as an example of Nora's judgment regarding rational voices in this community. Nothing more, nothing less. Read and judge for yourselves. }
Protein/Fat/Carb Paleo: 27/28/40 (alcohol 4%) Mediterranean: 21/25/52 (alcohol 2%).
BOTH of the diets studied were "low fat" diets, the Paleo diet was even lower fat than the Mediterranean diet in terms of absolute intake. But more importantly, Gedgaudas misrepresented this study. The "prehistoric" diet was lower carb, but at 134g carb and 40% of energy, it's hardly a low carb diet by many standards, certainly not very low carb. Gedgaudas' focus throughout the book is on how our Ice Age ancestors led to our evolved physiologies to be fat burners. Glucose is BAAAAAAAD. This study in no way bears this out.
Before moving on from the references cited in the book to which Nora owes her status as "expert", I have to reiterate how many of her references are mass-media, pop culture diet & fitness books. Let's hang out on page 151 a while longer here -- because she brings up leptin and insulin. PBPM is heavily referenced with respect to leptin to the sorts of books I'm talking about. The book, interviews and internet articles of one Ron Rosedale (L.Ron baybee!), along with Byron Richards' book thrown in for good measure, make up the endocrine section of this book and populate other reference sections. It is disturbing how many times Mercola himself, or interviews with him are cited. Given as she does cite some peer review literature in other areas, one has to wonder why not one -- just one, but preferably more -- from, say, the "founder" of leptin, Dr. Jeffrey Friedman and other researchers? Here's one that might be appropriate: The Function of Leptin in Nutrition, Weight, and Physiology. Rosedale's version of the leptin-insulin relationship, parroted in PBPM by Gedgaudas, is not found in any of Friedman's works, or any scholarly work that I've seen, especially through the mechanism of dietary carbohydrate spikes and surges these two subscribe to. Why not at least a textbook here?
The Bonus: In the original post I forgot to add this statement. Yes, a fourth one on the same single page 151:
(a) The hormone glucagon is required for the mobilization of fat stores and allows them to be burned for energy. (b) Glucagon does not operate in the presence of insulin. (c) If one consumes enough carbohydrate to stimulate insulin secretion, glucagon cannot function, and body fat cannot be burned.Addressed statement by statement:
(a) The action of glucagon on adipocytes was controversial at the time of publication of PMPB. Currently the evidence points to either no or a minor direct role for this hormone on adipocytes, but regardless the statement of "requirement" ranges from gross exaggeration to outright false.
(b) If this were true then it makes no sense that protein stimulates secretion of both of these hormones. It does this because in the absence of carbohydrate, insulin secreted to facilitate amino acid transport into cells may also stimulate glucose clearance and cause hypoglycemia. Therefore glucagon stimulates glucose production in the liver.
(c) Leaving aside the notion that glucagon cannot function, but in (a) Nora states a role for lipolysis of fat for glucagon. Burning of body fat is oxidation, not lipolysis.
What of Gedgaudas' Credentials?
She is: Board-certified in Holistic Nutrition® through the National Association of Nutritional Professionals (NANP)
The NANP offers certificate programs at several colleges. Don't be fooled. You will not receive a degree (Associates, Bachelors, etc.) from that school, and the institution. According to this PDF, the outlined requirements seem substantial, but this is mostly a listing of academic study/assessments the institution must submit for a person to sit for their "Board Exam". If Nora Gedgaudas has completed substantial *for credit* classes at any of the institutions, one wonders why she does not sport an official degree. Chances are these classes are specifically designed for this program and are not acceptable for credit (e.g. can be used as an elective for a degree program). The college can exempt these classes from consideration for their various accreditations. Happens all the time, quite often for specific continuation education programs for large employers. I cannot imagine the Board Exam is very rigorous given Nora's misunderstanding of metabolic basics.
Bottom line, any group can conjur up a program and certification requirements and sound all official-like. But it doesn't make it so. Put otherwise, "board-certified" means only so much as the Board that is doing the certifying.How about: Recognized by the Nutritional Therapy Association as a Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT).
NTT Programs: You must first and foremost pledge your "allegiance to the teachings of such pioneering greats as Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. Francis M. Pottenger, Jr. two of the greatest scientific minds ever to research nutrition, food and its’ effects on modern society. Their work is the basis for NTA’s core belief in properly prepared, nutrient dense whole foods."
We can be assured that Nora Gedgaudas participated in "in a rigorous course curriculum that includes anatomy and physiology, basic chemistry concepts, and the science of food and its’ nutritional components." This must be where she got her keen understanding of human metabolism.Look folks, I'm not bashing these programs or any who complete them. I know nothing about them, though I'm not impressed. EDIT: On second thought, these programs rightly deserve bashing as they are NOT science based curricula. Any relationship to a serious degree in nutrition, biochemistry or physiology is an illusion, and these programs seem nothing more than indoctrination into the fad diet beliefs of program developers. /EDIT Seems to be a money-making scheme to me. Pay fees to put letters after your name that qualify you to do nothing else. You can't transfer the fruits of your labors to an accredited institution of higher learning should you decide to pursue further education. Red flag to me, and I would suggest (just friendly advice) if you are into forging a career in alternative practice, get the "mainstream" degree, and then "specialize". So, I am, however, pointing out the difference between these programs and those that are offered for the purpose of earning a degree from an accredited school. Colleges and Universities routinely go through assessments to maintain some degree of academic integrity as to the content and skills that, say, a future employer or client or whatever would expect for one presenting "letters". Either Nora Gedgaudas shames these organizations by sharing her self-appointed expertise of made up sheet, or she learned it from these programs. I welcome input from any and all who have attended similar programs or are similarly certified to share their experiences in comments here.
But at least Nora can tell an emotionally stable keto-adapted voice in the wilderness of carb-addicted maniacs ranting about teh internet. I dare not link to where this gem is located lest my rabid followers try to hunt down the keto goddess of serenity. ;-) Eh, just this once. Be nice and don't "troll" a private diary blog, kay? {EDIT: Ms. Wooo has represented this linking as my urging readings to troll and harass her. No. I only link to this as an example of Nora's judgment regarding rational voices in this community. Nothing more, nothing less. Read and judge for yourselves. }
Comments
There are many Uncertified Nutritional Therapists around as well.
And when a 3rd party Certifies that the Nutritional Therapist is Uncertified . . . ?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC373256/
They ate grains! Starches! Cereals! Paleo wheat bellies!
I think it's better to have a menstrual cycle than to self inflict insulin resistance on one's self via this type of diet. But maybe that's my carb addiction talking :)
And if you can tell a good story and have the right credentials you appear to make a lot more money. Most people I know in real life don't know who Gary Taubes is, but they've all heard of Dr. Ornish, Dr. Weil and Dr. Oz.
I thought the point of paleo (or primal) eating was that meat/shellfish +greens was optimizing and you could throw the rest in (tubers, dairy, rice, culturally familiar grains, fruit) as your n=1 dictated.
I have raised my carb intake some, for economics and convenience. But, I'm still looking for that magic spot where I'm not hungry (though honestly, I'm told by those near and dear to me that even though I don't feel what I'd call hunger, I am a cranky bitch if I need to eat and don't)
That sounds like religion, not science.
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As for me, my reproductive system is retired, but I'd like to keep my brain. Kthanks. ;)
Also as far as I know, Fallon does not have a doctorate in nutrition.
You can be an amateur and still come up with great info. I can think of a couple of foodie bloggers who do that, from different ends of the spectrum.
The whole 'starving cells can't access stored energy' thing--yeah, that's EXACTLY how I felt on VLC. Ate so much meat and non-starchy vegetables that my stomach was always painfully distended after a meal--and I would still be ravenous. AND I lost my period to vindicate the subjective feelings of starvation.
Of course, YMMV. But for some of us, the 'LC flu' is a horror that doesn't go away, and also has some very real ramifications.
In my (brief) time posting to sisson's forums, it seemed pretty obvious to me (and i said as much) that tubers and some forms of dairy were reasonable to call primal or even paleo (as in not agricultural, but horticultural/pastoral). I always tried to eat more horticulturally/pastorally and less agriculturally, as that was my understanding of paleo/primal.
Paleo was for me not about restrictions, but freedom to eat decent food that didn't make me sick. I would never have continued eating that way if it made me sick as the mainstream 'healthy' ways of eating did and I truly do not know why anyone would stick with something that isn't working.
Clearly you have better critical thinking skills than I. I was a fool and followed the Rosedale/Gedgaudas woe since they seemed to me (at the time) to make a credible arguments about insulin control/leptin manipulation. etc. Actually, it was due to years of breastfeeding and the expected amenorrhea that usually follows that delayed my questioning of the starch free/glucose free diet.
I am not alone in my hormonal issues with vlc paleo - just go to paleohacks and search on amenorrhea.
@ Diana totally, I did open your referenced article and my mind is wide(er) open regarding diet.
Can you point out exactly where Evelyn has messed up a citation, and where she has been wrong on her science?
One of the proudest boasts of the Paleo crowd is that they had low birthrates. It's often pointed out that H/G women start menstruating late, breastfeed for many years, and space births widely.
I wonder - maybe they suffered from amenorrhea?
Women originally had a child about once every five years or so starting in their early teens until menopause (with about half the children dying during infancy). Each baby would have been breast fed for 3-7 years.
A paleolithic woman may have had only a few dozen periods in her entire life.
Just yesterday someone going for a masters in public health nutrition cited Mark Sisson's ridiculous carb curve and his website twice as a good source of biochemistry information in a "nerdy" biochemistry post :( http://balancedbites.com/2013/01/a-biochem-snapshot-5-facts-that-keep-me-paleo.html Mark is a prime example of someone who uses his credentials for gravitas but routinely mangles the science.
I want to make it clear that I'm not dissing various degrees and backgrounds. But it is important to understand what they involve when someone is putting forth their "letters" for credibility. There are any number of people like, ahem, Dr. Duke, who have PhD's in wholly unrelated fields from questionable institutions or that are only honorary in nature.
As others besides me have noted, there's also a different skill set for a research scientist vs. an engineer vs. a medical doctor.
I think it's deplorable that folks like Lustig are going to enshrine incorrect (easily shown) biochemistry in the mass media mind with his new book. Gedgaudas is the one claiming to be one of the World's leading experts on paleo? Based on WHAT?? That was the point of this post and I found it interesting one singlely egregious page demonstrated that all of what is wrong with the entirety of her book.
"Menstruation is completely ABNORMAL."
Wow. Just....wow.
"A paleolithic woman may have had only a few dozen periods in her entire life."
Maybe because she died age 30, after being pregnant or lactating constantly since age 18?
@Guys,
I'm so happy blogblog put that up. Because it's without a doubt the sickest thing that the Paleo cult says, repeats and believes.
It's actually a major part of their belief system, and says a lot about them.
Some consider this "physiological IR" to be OK. I do not. That is just my opinion based on everything I've read over the past three to four years, and at the very least, it does not appear to be an optimal metabolic state.
Since we're talking Nora, there are a lot of people who base their longevity ideas on studies with worms: http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/03/elegans-argument-in-insulins-favor.html#more
This misconception that carbs CAUSE insulin resistance is something I have a keen interest in dispelling.
I have no problem with you or anyone else questioning anything or anyone. You do good work here, period.
And there is so much more on the subject.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/10/08/1006993107.full.pdf
This kind of evidence is harder to find than animal bones, so the picture of Paleo man the meat eater became so entrenched.
Really HIIT Mama - think of how most Paleo peeps lived. They'd live near a source of water, eat the animals that came to the water source, either by directly killing them or eating the bodies. They'd eat anything they could get their hands on: frogs, insects, crawly things, yum, yum. And of course they'd eat all the plant life they could. Ever notice how lush plant life is around a water source, any water source?
Houston, I think we need a paradigm shift.
HM, I hate to pull the sexism card, which has been so abused and overused, but in this case I think it is warranted.
The obsession with meat (hunting) combined with the horror of normal female bodily functions (menstruation) and the disgust at higher birthrates following the AR, leads me to believe that the basis of the Paleo cult is hatred of women. They probably don't like people at all, but esp. women.
The point Diana was making (I think?) was that my credentials, while subject to scrutiny, only really matter if you are asserting that I'm misrepresenting anything here.
Indeed I've seen people comment about the internet how I'm wrong about this or that but somehow those people don't have the cahones to comment here to challenge me specifically where we could have a constructive dialog. Usually their argument boils down to that I haven't sufficiently reversed my obesity to the point of being able to comment on basic human physiology. Or the fact that some fugly middle aged boor wouldn't want to screw me has any bearing on my intelligence or the science I discuss here that he is clearly ill-equipped to understand. Excuse me?
Please note that in the recent two cases, Stefani and Nora, their credentials do come into question because both are claiming expertise and authority on certain subject matters, and both have written clearly erroneous accounts on those matters.
If a magic cure salesman came to town peddling vials of special oil and you caught him behind the building filling vials with canola oil, wouldn't you consider it your duty to tell the town folk? I do.
And then there's her obsession with phytates. Turns out that phytic acid has a good side: it inhibits free radical formation and may be anti-carcinogenic. And if you aren't depending on staple grains you can get the trace minerals that are bound up by phytic acid.
She thinks canola oil is "poison" and that you should only drink (lots of) raw milk. I mean, look, raw milk does have advantages over pasteurized, but when you want to feed masses of people, you need to sterilize the milk. There were numerous cases of food borne illnesses in the past due to pathogens in milk.
She's a crank. Let her argue with the anti-dairy folks. I'll make my yogurt from pasteurized (low-fat!) milk.
Some of the stuff W.A. Price Foundation says is excellent. But mostly it's another food cult.
Truth be told, I'd love nothing more than to just re-don the anonymous bunny ears. The very personal vulgarity-laced attacks on me (and Melissa McEwen) have not occurred in a vacuum. They effected me in real life because they sought to interfere with my "real life", and that was just sick. Sick. I do not engage in gratuitous personal attacks, I have NEVER encouraged internet harassment despite what a certain blogger continues to insinuate (if she continues I'll repost the comments and allow my readers and hers to judge for themselves), or allowed free-for-all bashfests in my comments section. I do try to allow as unmoderated a comment section as possible and it is largely self-policing. Yes, from time to time some commenters will post things I would not post or I'd rather they not, but I do my best to keep things moving along. There are also times when it gets busy that I can't get to respond to comments I'd like to, or address those that might be a bit out of line. I'm proud of the comments section here. It's not always perfect, but I do my best and if someone who felt they were unjustly treated registered a complaint (never had one, ya gotta complain TO me, not about me!) I would take it seriously. I would also allow that person to speak for themselves as unlike the cowards (Moore, FatHead, Taubes, Eenfeldt, etc.) I do not censor in blanket fashion while allowing free for alls. Taubes' comments are a cesspool, as are Peter/Hyperlipids and Wooo's. I won't even bother with the biggest cesspool of all. Ah ... sigh ... sorry for the rant! :D
Thanks for the compliment on my work!
Yes.
@Evelyn, I'm trying to to feed the plant-life. I have a weakness for that. I didn't think the question was worth answering. But since you answered him, I would say that credentials are really not the issue here. You mentioned them, which led you to be questioned about your own.
This is a blog. I'm not your editor. But if I were editing your book, I'd put "Make this clearer" on the manuscript.
There is a certain blogger who shall be nameless who had zero credentials in nutrition. He has changed from one eating plan to another, due to emotional factors. That's his business. He comes up with some excellent items, and I have never known him to get the science wrong, or to misrepresent anything. I take what I need, and leave the rest.
Just a personal note, it is quite possible for a lightly-credentialed person to be a great scientist. How about an obscure Ph.D. candidate, working as a patent clerk....
Can you point out exactly where Evelyn has messed up a citation, and where she has been wrong on her science?
blogblog, there is no real evidence that I have ever come across that shows the benefits of amenorrhea in premeno women. On the contrary, it has been shown to be quite dangerous on many levels and is an indicator of hormonal imbalance.
@Evelyn, carbs and insulin resistance is something I have been reading up on these days. Looks like they improve it on many levels especially if consumed with their natural fiber. Also looks like BCAAs and saturated fat are terrible for insulin sensitivity. Looking forward to your take on this subject.
His website says
"With a doctorate in nutritional science from the American distance learning university, Trinity College & University, (NOT the Spanish diploma mill with a similar name) gained from 20 years' research experience and a 60.000-word dissertation on the Politics of the Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies"
He changed his spec when a blogger suggested it came from the Spanish Diploma Mill of that name.
No doubt he has written a book on fluoridation.
As to his PHD, there are lots of Trinity colleges but the only institution with that exact name I can find in the US is now known as Bronte International University. Both Bronte International and Trinity College and University appear on a list of unaccredited institutions.
Perhaps someone knows of an accredited institute with this name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronte_International_University
http://www.foreigncredits.com/Resources/Unaccredited-Universities/
I took two classes there towards my MS Biomed Eng from the then Hartford Graduate Center (affiliated with my undergrad alma mater RPI, last time I checked called Rensselear at Hartford, never completed as I transferred to MS Mat Sci when I quit my job to complete degree full time) ... a neuroscience class and an anatomy and physio one.
http://www.trinity.ox.ac.uk/
which probably predates yours by a few hundred years (proud Mum here)
Partly why I get so cross with the official sounding name Trinity Coll and Uni, I also have nothing against distance learning from credible universities. I have an Open University M.Sc. and that was a lot of hard work.
You are right to be proud!
I always enjoy the patent clerk example because it is such a great example of somebody coming in from left field (forgive the baseball analogy) to stun the world. But in reality Einstein did have mainstream creds: he had a good physics teaching degree from an excellent institution. (I do not know how that degree equates to a modern B.S.) He achieved his doctorate in 1904-1905 (not exactly sure) during his "miracle year." His work at the patent office involved evaluating complex technical data relating to electricity. And when he achieved his doctorate, far from spurning mainstream academia, he relished it.
He said later (paraphrasing), "God has punished me for rebelling against authority by making me one."
This is so different from people misreading the record, ignoring data that doesn't fit their crazy ideas, and fibbing.
I do not think that Evelyn represents herself as an expert, but as someone with scientific qualifications who is subjecting the claims to sharp scrutiny.
Your mileage varies. So be it.
I do, as well.
His degree was based on 'experience' and at a distance. I still don't think it's your Trinity college.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/3803318.Author_says__eat_fat_rather_than_fruit/
'Surprisingly, application of metabolomics technologies has revealed that branched-chain amino acids (BCAA) and related metabolites are more strongly associated with insulin resistance than many common lipid species. Moreover, the BCAA-related signature is predictive of incident diabetes and intervention outcomes and uniquely responsive to therapeutic interventions. Nevertheless, in animal feeding studies, BCAA supplementation requires the background of a high-fat diet to promote insulin resistance. '
BCAAs combines with high fat, not good. Sat fat and carbohydrates, not good. (Sat fat without carbohydrates, good!)
Incidentally, American University is quite well known here in the states. That is sure not the American U -- whatever it is -- that David Duke claims to be a prof at.
That diet is low in fat and moderate in carbs.
So my first thoughts (havent' looked very far) are that BCAA are probably insulin sensitizing like carbs in the right dietary milieu.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=16890
This is totally inconsistent, not to mention total revisionist bullshit. It is reminiscent of LCers denying that the LC gurus don't deny the relevance of calories to weight reduction, when that's all they do.
If starches esp. were not demonized, I fail to see why Jimmy Moore devoted an entire blog post to the subject:
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/is-there-any-such-thing-as-safe-starches-on-a-low-carb-diet/11809
Don't bother quibbling that LC isn't Paleo. They've pretty much joined forces and become the same thing.
The BCAA thing comes from someone I've seen talked bout here in comments - Plant Positive in his How to Become Insulin Resistant the Paleo way series, of course he has an anti meat agenda so is making a case against protein - at least excess protein. I guess I don't know what to make of it all. I **think** these are some of the links PP refers to: (I really just searches on the scientist's names he mentions in his transcript.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19356713
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(12)00103-9?switch=standard
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22442749
And his usual schmuckish schtick - micro-mechanistic theories trump controlled trials.
Here, BS on insulin vesicles trumps repeated randomized, blinded, controlled trials that show artificial sweeteners don't have much effect consumption - some RCT studies found more, some less.
I've never been on the zero carb train, that doesn't reflect any of the paleo literature. melissa has been very helpful in her blogging, confirming my n=1 suspicions.
The Patent Clerk story is an urban legend. Einstein was already a well known physicist with a number of publications in prestigious journals long before his major breakthroughs in 1905.
Einstein title at the Swiss patent Office was an Engineer Patent Examiner. This was a highly technical graduate engineering position involving the study of complex mechanical devices.
since i was interested in 'how to eat healthfully without feeling sick', i was always open to new information about different foods. the blogs i tended to stick with through this whole food journey were melissa's, stephan's, kurt's when he was still updating, and chris masterjohn (both his own and his pieces posted to the weston price site). i am data driven and ok with including new information as it becomes available.
as i have said before, i am 'low carb' if you define that as 200g/carbs/day or fewer. if i just list out my food for a week, that's about the highest it gets and since i do eat a fair amount of meat, it's often less.
i get bristly i think because it seems to me that the new pushback is to define healthy eating as 80% carbs and if you don't eat like that, you are totes destroying your health, especially if you're a woman. sorry if i don't think the data supports that one. but i never believed it supported 80% fat, either and have never suggested anyone eat like that.
that is part of why i got on kurt harris' 2.0 bandwagon. the data showed that it wasn't about specific macronutrients for healthy eatings, but a more individualized picture, which fit with my n=1 experiences. that said, there were a few broad truths (like women needing more carbs than dudes by default and everyone needing some animal products in their diet) that consistently appeared.
In all my experimenting since then, the one thing that is consistently true is that regularly eating starch in sufficient quantity increases appetite and drives me to overeat. I prefer the convenience of eating ad libitum, and I can do that while keeping my weight stable on a diet that is 50-60% fat and 10-15% protein, with carbs coming mostly from fruits and non-starchy veggies. I eat a sushi roll about once a week, and lately I've been enjoying a few tablespoons of hummus with carrot sticks as my evening snack. I eat the little bit of starchy food that I do because I enjoy it, but it would be complete idiocy to go back to eating starchy foods as dietary staples.
It's not an urban legend that he was a patent clerk. And did you not read what I wrote: " His work at the patent office involved evaluating complex technical data relating to electricity."
Can you cite his pre-1905 publications in prestigious journals? This is interesting to me.
David Bodaniss states, "He managed to get a few physics articles published, but they weren't especially impressive."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/einstein-the-nobody.html
The linked article states, about his status as a patent clerk:
"The year before, in 1904, he had applied for a promotion from patent clerk third class to patent clerk second class. His supervisor, Dr. Friedrich Haller, had rejected him, writing in an assessment that although Einstein had "displayed some quite good achievements," he would still have to wait "until he has become fully familiar with mechanical engineering."
Read the whole thing.
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We all get things wrong. I've gotten a LOT of things wrong, and believed things that now make me wince. But Fallon is in a position of some responsibility, and AFAIK she has never renounced her opinion that canola oil is poison.
Sally wrote in 2002:
"Canola oil is a poisonous substance, an industrial oil that does not belong in the body. It contains "the infamous chemical warfare agent mustard gas," hemagglutinins and toxic cyanide-containing glycocides; it causes mad cow disease, blindness, nervous disorders, clumping of blood cells and depression of the immune system. This is what detractors say about canola oil."
It's still up there.
http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/the-great-con-ola
None of this is true. Anyone who stands by that is IMO a crank. Your mileage varies.
Yes, Fallon was part of a movement against crap foods. She was one of many, but in that regard, she did do some good. The problem I have with her is that a lot of confused people, when they read things like the above, give up in disgust. They say, "What does it matter? It's ALL bad," and they go back to a crap food diet.
I'm coming around to the idea (which would horrify Fallon) that all added fats are unnecessary. But as added fats go, canola is OK. In small amounts. It is NOT what Fallon says it is, it's an oil created from hybridized plants, like any other, and it doesn't contain mustard gas. Geesh.
"Let's start with some history. The time period is the mid-1980s and the food industry has a problem. In collusion with the American Heart Association, numerous government agencies and departments of nutrition at major universities, the industry had been promoting polyunsaturated oils as a heart-healthy alternative to "artery-clogging" saturated fats."
This is crank talk.
Look, I admit that the US public has suffered from a deluge of bad nutrition info. I still wince at the phrase "heart healthy." But the malicious collusion that Fallon charges above never existed. I wish she would name names. As it is, she sounds like a dietary Joe McCarthy.
This kind of talk is very characteristic of the paranoia rampant in Incestralism, which Evelyn talks about in the latest post. You can't trust 'em, they're all together in a conspiracy to kill us. CW.
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