Papa Sisson?
"While the world chooses to remain focused on the infantile concepts of diet and weight loss as the primary goals of getting healthy, it’s good to know we have an adult watching out for our real best interests and arming us with information that is truly life-changing. "
~ Jimmy Moore, Review of Primal Connection by Mark Sisson
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I tend to worry when a regular human is put up on a pedestal as "leading us to the right way to do things." I'll trust God to lead me. I'm always skeptical about men and women, especially men and women profiting from an agenda. Nothing like money to corrupt. ; )
I learned a lot that helped me from various sources. I'm grateful for it. Paleo and Primal folks are included in those sources, as are some low carbers. BUT...I don't want a guru. I've already got my Lord, and he did a lot of fasting, walking, moderate eating, and mostly told us not to obsess about what we eat and what we drink, but to love God and love folks some. I know I have to focus on my diet and lifestyle to fix my issues, but I really don't wanna have a cultish mentality about it.
I think Jimmy has made this his obsession and income-generator, so it may not even be possible for him at this point to take a step back and listen to even his Lord about what to do. I mean, does he even fast and pray to God for an answer or guidance on how to tackle his health and weight issues? Is it just the Sissons and Taubes and Kruses that he looks to?
He's invested in men and the LC system, so even if God said in that still small voice to him (or the loud big yell) "You know, Jimmy, son, go and have a bowl of fruit and a nice bean and tater stew," Jimmy would likely turn around and walk away, like the rich young ruler walked away from Jesus when he told him to ditch his worldly goods. We get really invested and can't be swayed, no matter how good the science/evidence.
We gotta be careful that what we think we're controlling is not actually controlling us. I say that as a sister in the faith with Jimmy. I really think he would do well to take some time off and spend it with God in deep seeking, cause he's been LCing this way and that way for a long time with some really weird weight ups and downs in weight and wacky extreme eating plans and strange bloodwork. The leading he needs, it seems to me, is not from Sisson or any other of those experts right now. He's interviewed hundreds of experts. He needs a better Voice.
On we go..
He was also in great shape....because he was a manual laborer. He also smoked a ton. He got emphysema and became disabled, and then...it caught up with him.
Actually, it didn't catch up with him. He got a little heavier, but the geezer still looked great, disabled and sedentary!! (He quit smoking.)
Looks can be deceiving. Some people just look good. They aren't necessarily healthy - although it is true that when you look like shit you are usually unhealthy.
Beginning a blog post with: "I don’t personally have any animosity towards vegans and have even interviewed quite a few of them on my podcast over the years."
And going on to say:
"...These militant vegans only wish they could do this and I challenge them to tell their people the truth. Gutless. Worthless. Human debris. They owe me an apology, but I’m not holding my breath."
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/vegan-group-creates-dishonest-video-denigrating-low-carber/16848
That's what I call mature in the LC cult!
(I was dismayed and laughed at the same time.)
I tried vegan and raw vegan. I figured, why not? I actually would be VERY happy eating ovo-lacto vegetarian, as I'm not crazy about meat. I gave up beans/corn/grains/gluten for a while when I was more Primal, but right now, I'm eating beans again this year. I miss beans. I do try to buy organic and GMO free beans/corn/etc. And I still avoid gluten (my eczema and asthma improved when I gave it up, improved A LOT,e nough for me to consider I am sensitive, though certainly NOT celiac).
I find that I like meatless meals and I missed them, so I am figuring out how to reincorporate and still feel okay (appetite and allergy-wise). It's my own n=1. ")
One of the most vibrant, healthiest looking and slim (like size zero slim) people I know is a gluten and soy-free vegan. She's got energy to spare. A cancer survivor. I see proof that veganism can be great in her. She's just glowing with health and energy and good vibes.
But vegan ain't for everyone. If someone likes it, thrives on it, go for it.
I find vegan foods more appealing than endless days of only meat and eggs, frankly. But we do what we must to feel better and improve health markers. I ain't gonna judge a person's food and exercise journey if it works for them. If this plan was really working for Jimmy, I'm high five him. I just don't see it doing him all that much good. His lipid panel is horrifying.
"And thanks to healthy high-fat, moderate protein, low-carb living with lots of meat, eggs, cheese, veggies and butter helping me get into nutritional ketosis, I’ll keep getting thinner and healthier in the coming months and years than I have in my entire life. These militant vegans only wish they could do this and I challenge them to tell their people the truth. Gutless. Worthless. Human debris. They owe me an apology, but I’m not holding my breath"
Mind you that video wasn't really anything that horrible in the scheme of things. Telling ...
@Mir: Yeah, I'd be a lot more "cheerful" if it were having unquestionable beneficial effects. Instead the LDL-P is "nightmarish" -- yet in appearances he lists specifics (including a meaningless heart scan score of zero from 5 years ago) while only expressing concerns for his somewhat high (insert equivalent modifying adjective) LDL-P. That is deceptive if you ask me. And it's not fair to those who follow his lead either.
There are more folks on paleo blogs adn forum who had adverse lipid changes than I'm sure any care to mention. The standard website disclaimer tells people to discontinue, but the advice in comments almost never honors that general good advice.
I know many will say to ignore the LDL. Sorry, I can't. Too many voices arguing about it, but even Kresser, a Paleo-friendly guy, and some other "expert" voices in that community would say that very high LDL is something to address--be it reducing inflammation, healing infections/parasitic conditions, adding iodine and zinc and copper, etc.
I think Jimmy ignoring that lipid horror story is part of the blinkered syndrome in LC/Paleo/any insulated diet. We see what we want to see only.
@Evelyn - I didn't want to quote the whole thing because I didn't want to be accused of overkill, I'm just commenting on someone else's blog. I was tempted to quote the whole. I'm glad you did. It's quite insane. I don't get it - he should be happy that vegans take him so seriously, he's getting under their thin fat free skin - and he takes off like a rageaholic.
Re: nutty K, the one weekend where I tried something like it my cholesterol shot up frighteningly. Cholesterol is high in my family and I don't worry about it but that was bad. It's a sick diet. Who "evolved" to eat like that? No one.
December 2012:
"And thanks to healthy high-fat, moderate protein, low-carb living with lots of meat, eggs, cheese, veggies and butter helping me get into nutritional ketosis, I’ll keep getting thinner and healthier in the coming months and years than I have in my entire life. These militant vegans only wish they could do this and I challenge them to tell their people the truth. Gutless. Worthless. Human debris. They owe me an apology, but I’m not holding my breath"
June 2007:
"There are five plans to choose from on Kimkins and I decided to start with the Kimmer Experiment, commonly known as K/E. This plan dictates that you eat lean sources of protein, such as turkey, chicken, salmon, lean roast beef, lean ham...all of which I consumed on Atkins during my original weight loss. You are allowed to eat as much of it as you need to satisfy your hunger. No calorie restrictions are necessary.
Sure, it's been a little boring so far, but the results have been nothing short of miraculous for me:
Day 1--I LOST 6 pounds!
Day 2--I LOST 4 pounds!
Day 3--I LOST 1 pound!
Day 4--I LOST 2 pounds!
Let me add that up for you: 13 POUNDS LOST IN FOUR DAYS!!!"
LINK:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=337684
January 2013, I ask: what next?
Huh? What is infantile about one's primary goal being health?
It's clear that words mean nothing to Jimmy, but these words are nevertheless revealing - that Jimmy doesn't care about health in the slightest. He only cares about how he looks.
For folks who are obese, focusing on diet and weight loss for health reasons MAKES SENSE. Me losing weight and changing how I eat got me off blood pressure meds, got me to normal blood sugar/resolved my prediabetes, resolved my sleep apnea, pretty much eliminated my plantar fasciitis. If I had something that diet and weight loss could help, why wouldn't I focus on it?
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